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Tzarina
March 5th, 2005, 09:05 PM
Syrian president outlines pullback, looks to Lebanon
DAMASCUS, Syria (AP) — President Bashar Assad on Saturday announced a two-stage pullback of Syrian forces to the Lebanese border, but failed to address broad international demands that he completely withdraw Syria's 15,000 troops after nearly 30 years in the country. (Video: Assad announces plan)

Syrian President Bashar Assad waves to crowd after delivering speech.
Anwar Amro, AFP

Assad also did not respond to President Bush's demand just a day earlier that Syria have all its troops and intelligence agents out of Lebanon before its parliamentary elections in May.

Instead, Assad said his plan would put Syria in full compliance with international agreements and U.N. demands.

"By carrying out this measure, Syria will have fulfilled requirements of the Taif agreement and implemented U.N. Resolution 1559," the Syrian leader said in a rare address to parliament.

Assad was vague about the pullback, leaving it unclear if Syrian forces would eventually leave Lebanon or be kept inside the country near the Syrian frontier. He said Syrian and Lebanese authorities would negotiate this week.

Later Saturday, however, Syrian Immigrant Affairs Minister Buthaina Shaaban told Lebanese Broadcast Corp. television withdrawal would be complete. "The matter is very clear. When an army withdraws it withdraws to inside the country's border."

The United States issued strong statement of dissatisfaction. (Related story: U.S. raps plan)

"President Assad's announcement is not enough," the State Department said in a statement hours after he made the pledge in a speech to parliament.

"As President Bush said Friday, when the United States and France say withdraw, we mean complete withdrawal — no halfhearted measures," the statement said.

France, which co-authored with Washington a U.N. resolution demanding Syrian withdrawal, stood by its demands for a complete pullout.

"We note the announcement by the president of the Syrian republic of his decision to apply" the resolution, the French Foreign Ministry said. "We, therefore, expect him to fully withdraw his troops and services from Lebanon as soon as possible."

Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom dismissed the Syrian president's speech as failing to meet international requirements.

"Israel demands a full implementation of U.N. Resolution 1559, meaning a complete withdrawal of all Syrian troops from Lebanon," Shalom said.

Outside Damascus' People's Assembly, thousands of Syrians watching the speech on large screens chanted pro-Assad slogans and waved the country's red, white and black flags.

"Oh God Almighty, safeguard Bashar our leader!" and "One, one, one, Syrian and Lebanon are one!" and "Bush, Bush, listen, the Syrian people will not bow," the group cried out in unison.

In Beirut, about 1,000 Lebanese also watching the speech on large outdoor screens in Martyrs' Square seemed unconvinced by Assad's words. Waving Lebanese flags, they continued the chants they have shouted in weeks of demonstrations: "Syria out!" and other anti-Syrian slogans.

Some Lebanese opposition leaders complained that Assad had not made clear what he planned and charged that he set no timetable for the troop movement.

One of them, Michel Aoun, spoke to Al-Arabiya television from exile in Paris, saying Assad's words were "very carefully studied."

"The Syrian army should withdraw to the inside of Syrian territories, not to the border," Aoun said. "I call on the Lebanese to be very careful about the wording and not to be happy over the general meaning."

But Walid Jumblatt, a prominent opposition figure, was conciliatory.

He told LBC there were positive elements in the speech, adding it offered "a new vision" in dealing with Lebanese-Syrian relations. "Before casting doubt, let's see the implementation on the ground."

Assad's speech also came at the end of a week of upheaval and Arab pressure, beginning with the resignation of Lebanon's pro-Syria government and ending with Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Abdullah telling the Syrian leader to his face that he must remove all his forces out of Lebanon quickly.

In declaring Syria now in compliance with international agreements and demands, Assad was referring to the 1989 Arab-brokered Taif Accord called for Syria to move its troops to the Lebanese border and for both countries to then negotiate the withdrawal.

Also on the books is a U.N. resolution, drafted by the United States and France in September, that demands that Syria to withdraw its forces, stop influencing Lebanese politics and allow the country to hold presidential elections as scheduled.

Lebanon has been engulfed by political turmoil since the Feb. 14 assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri in Beirut, which many in Lebanon blame on the Lebanese government and its Syrian backers. Both the Beirut government and Syria deny involvement.

Hariri, 60, resigned last year amid opposition to a Syrian-backed constitutional amendment that enabled his rival, President Emile Lahoud, to extend his term in office.

Syria has kept troops in Lebanon since 1976, when they were sent as peacekeepers during that country's 1975-1990 civil war. When the war ended, the troops remained and Damascus continued to wield decisive influence with Lebanese officials.

In the carefully worded address, Assad said, "We would not stay one day if there was Lebanese consensus on the departure of Syria," failing to state that Damascus wields decisive influence with Lebanese officials.

"We will withdraw our forces stationed in Lebanon fully to the Bekaa region (in the east) and later to the Lebanese-Syrian border areas," he said to cheers from legislators in the chamber and from thousands of Syrian supporters listening outside the building.

Early in the hourlong speech, he said he would pull troops out if there was Lebanese consensus on the issue, apparently sidestepping the prospect of a full withdrawal.

"We will not stay one day if there was Lebanese consensus on the departure of Syria," he told parliament. "Syria should not be a subject of dispute."

Assad said that in the last few years Syria has pulled out 60% of its forces "voluntarily based upon Syrian will and desire without any pressure."

The Lebanese people are sharply divided over the presence of Syria's soldiers. Massive protests in past weeks have demanded Syria's withdrawal and led to the resignation of the pro-Syrian government last week.

mud_
March 10th, 2005, 03:44 AM
i saw a news article on this yesterday morning
it showed george bush basically ordering syria to withdraw before the elections

who the fuck does that guy think he is?
seriously?

he's making me hate america/ns
*sings* i'm afraid of americans - bowie + NIN

on the other hand all of this recent anti-americanism makes for some pretty good TV

i assume that lebanon cant support its own army OR its own army has other interests?
sorry if that seems like a shit question but to be perfectly honest i only know what i'm told when it comes to international politics

Mufumonk
March 10th, 2005, 08:48 AM
i saw a news article on this yesterday morning
it showed george bush basically ordering syria to withdraw before the elections

who the fuck does that guy think he is?
seriously?

he's making me hate america/ns
*sings* i'm afraid of americans - bowie + NIN

on the other hand all of this recent anti-americanism makes for some pretty good TV

i assume that lebanon cant support its own army OR its own army has other interests?
sorry if that seems like a shit question but to be perfectly honest i only know what i'm told when it comes to international politics

Syria was supposed to leave 30 years ago. They didn't. Instead, they burrowed in Lebanon and setup terror cells all over the place. This has been a long time coming. It still isn't enough though. For years, we hoped that the Lebanese would be able to stand up to them and force them out on their own, but they don't have the firepower that Syria does. It's also hard to get someone to leave once they have established themselves and have a stranglehold on all that you're trying to do, preventing them from having the freedom of choice.

Tzarina
March 10th, 2005, 11:52 AM
^ Good observation :nod:

Thanks :laugh:

Mufumonk
March 10th, 2005, 12:36 PM
^ Good observation :nod:

Thanks :laugh:

Syria is actually one of the places I spent time in while I was in the army. It's a very very strange situation there. The people in Syria are extremely friendly. Their "government" on the other hand is borderline psychotic.

Tzarina
March 10th, 2005, 12:47 PM
Syria is actually one of the places I spent time in while I was in the army. It's a very very strange situation there. The people in Syria are extremely friendly. Their "government" on the other hand is borderline psychotic.
Oh wow, you've been there, that is way too cool! What is the landscape like? The buildings?
And in the army... oh that must have been a good time... :wink2:

Mufumonk
March 10th, 2005, 01:32 PM
Oh wow, you've been there, that is way too cool! What is the landscape like? The buildings?
And in the army... oh that must have been a good time... :wink2:


The eastern border along Iraq is pretty barren. It's all desert with the exception of where the Euphrates flows. I only got to see the western coast (Mediterranean) for a couple of days and it sucked because it was winter and all it does is rain. My team was able to drive past the Palmyra ruins which is supposedly THE place to visit if you are going to Syria. It hit my buddy pretty hard though not being able to stop. He's of Assyrian decent and Palmyra was part of the Assyrian homeland before the Romans destroyed it.

spinnin'dervish
March 10th, 2005, 03:55 PM
:bday:

i sugest a visit to dimascus and the bay area round the med it is way too awsome!

lebanon is cool too is it more like europe in some places than the middle east i like it there.

i hate the fact that syria control lebanon, i went there and it sucked the way they had AL-assad senior all over the place (i hate the bastered). thank god the lebanese got full independence.

oohh also visit the lebanese and syrian mountians the people (Druiz) are amazing!

Mufumonk
March 10th, 2005, 04:10 PM
:bday:

i sugest a visit to dimascus and the bay area round the med it is way too awsome!

lebanon is cool too is it more like europe in some places than the middle east i like it there.

i hate the fact that syria control lebanon, i went there and it sucked the way they had AL-assad senior all over the place (i hate the bastered). thank god the lebanese got full independence.

oohh also visit the lebanese and syrian mountians the people (Druiz) are amazing!

I was on the west coast along the Med for a cpl days, but like I said.......it was winter. Winter there must be like winter in Seattle, because I swear to God, it never stopped raining. I couldn't wait to get out of there, which is sad, because I was heading to the damn desert along the Iraq border. :cry:

iha
March 10th, 2005, 06:58 PM
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Tzarina
March 10th, 2005, 08:11 PM
The eastern border along Iraq is pretty barren. It's all desert with the exception of where the Euphrates flows. I only got to see the western coast (Mediterranean) for a couple of days and it sucked because it was winter and all it does is rain. My team was able to drive past the Palmyra ruins which is supposedly THE place to visit if you are going to Syria. It hit my buddy pretty hard though not being able to stop. He's of Assyrian decent and Palmyra was part of the Assyrian homeland before the Romans destroyed it.
Thanks for sharing cyber hubby thing person...:nod:
I don't have to remember an anniversary do I? :hmmm:

I like to hear about these places, Jazmyne's husband is in Iraq right now...

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Nice Iha, you are on a roll with the smileys tonight :lmao:

Mufumonk
March 10th, 2005, 09:42 PM
Thanks for sharing cyber hubby thing person...:nod:
I don't have to remember an anniversary do I? :hmmm:

I like to hear about these places, Jazmyne's husband is in Iraq right now...


Nice Iha, you are on a roll with the smileys tonight :lmao:


How long has he been there and what branch is he in? Alot has changed since I was there, but then again, when I was there we weren't there. 2 man teams doing recon work to prep for disarmament. And for you h8'ers, this was during the Clinton administration. :eek: :weed: And for anyone looking to travel, I got to spend 2 weeks of leave in Croatia before being shipped off from Bosnia to err.....points further south. The absolute most beautiful place I have ever seen in my life. Everything there is amazing, from the beaches, the architecture, to the women. The women there are like no other place I've ever experienced.

Tzarina
March 10th, 2005, 09:59 PM
How long has he been there and what branch is he in? Alot has changed since I was there, but then again, when I was there we weren't there. 2 man teams doing recon work to prep for disarmament. And for you h8'ers, this was during the Clinton administration. :eek: :weed: And for anyone looking to travel, I got to spend 2 weeks of leave in Croatia before being shipped off from Bosnia to err.....points further south. The absolute most beautiful place I have ever seen in my life. Everything there is amazing, from the beaches, the architecture, to the women. The women there are like no other place I've ever experienced.
sweet! :nod:
I want to go ... I'm not a hater... All I know is that he is on a big ship thingy... :blush:
Jazmyne will be back soon though... she's on a cruise, with 24 hour ice cream... :drool: