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Pudie
February 28th, 2005, 10:14 AM
The Mars Volta
Frances the Mute
[Universal; 2005]
Rating: 2.0





Indie and prog-rock have a lot more in common than most of their listeners might like to admit. Both are dominated by apostate wallflowers who act a lot cooler and more self-assured than they really are, and their artists, despite creating an aura of aloofness, are notoriously defensive. If you wanna take the psychoanalytic bent, both have masculinity issues: Prog compensates with double kick drums and the phallic gratification of rabid shrrredding, while indie prefers to spin its shortcomings into anti-heroism. This is not to detract from the legacy of either music-- both have rich and diverse histories-- but the reps of each have been tarnished by generations of feckless dudes whose spotlight-hogging has rendered the genres unusually susceptible to generalizations. In fact, the terms themselves are generalizations, almost always used negatively: These days, bands are most commonly dubbed "prog" or "indie" when their music isn't provocative enough to earn a more individually tailored description.

On De-Loused in the Comatorium, the Mars Volta weren't straddling any fencelines. Rather than carrying over characteristics from the rough-edged indie-esque stylings of their former band, At the Drive-In, or plunging headfirst into the never-ending math equations of psilocybic canterbury prog, they artfully missed both marks: too sincere for indie but not quite prolix enough for prog; too melody-driven for prog but not repetitive enough for indie. Listeners' initial bemusement enabled the band to transcend genre reducibility, which won De-Loused quick (if hesitant) points from critics and fans. But two years later, there are few other recent records for which putatively in-the-know listeners are so cautious of voicing approval. If you liked De-Loused (or thought so, at least) but often found yourself biting your tongue in the company of others, you were probably in the majority.

The Mars Volta drew attention for its technical proficiency, but behind all the meter-changes and 32nd-note polyrhythms, De-Loused featured some very strong melodies. The album's best moments registered in part because of the galling pomposity with which they were delivered, but the tripartite solos and Cedric Bixler Zavala's ornate vocal wallpaper wouldn't have held up without a backbone. The band managed to ingratiate themselves with so many who would have otherwise relegated De-Loused to the realm of ironic pleasures because they had the tact and melodic good sense to make masturbation acceptable for a deceptively Victorian set of listeners.

Of course, there was always the kid with the green Ibanez who didn't know better and staged impromptu Omar Rodriguez-Lopez deification rituals. With no apologies, Frances the Mute-- The Mars Volta's new 77-minute, five-track, gratuitously subdivided, and feebly narrated album-- is for him. Call it what you will, but be sure to have finished your homework before tackling this gnarled swamp thing.

I'm reluctant to say Bixler-Zavala and Rodriguez-Lopez have become better musicians in the two years since De-Loused was released. Any possible strides in technical proficiency are showcased in brazenly flown-from-the-rafters pandering. But the Mars Volta are also a band in the truest, bluest sense of the word, and their strong unity actually manages to temper songs that are premised on lack of temperance. Solos are kept to a minimum; the band chug full-throttle on the same set of tires. Their most sophisticated algorithms are contained within sturdy sonic superstructures. In this sense, they're more Mastodon than King Crimson-- only they kick about a third as much ass as a Dream Theater side project.

Predictably monolithic and impossibly huge, Frances never stops chugging. Its five songs are divvied up in several, nearly indistinguishable movements, but the album moves wholly, as a gross, plodding, overstuffed mass. Opener "Cygnus...Vismund Cygnus"-- which is said to tell the story of an HIV-positive male prostitute and drug addict born out of rape, but who knows?-- builds to a powerful, string-driven climax at around the eight-minute mark but never bothers to come back down, staying aloft in a spiral of guitar arpeggios and overeager drumming before eventually devolving into a chorus of synth textures. At six minutes, "Widow"-- a yowling "November Rain"-style ballad-- is half the length as the next shortest track, and still at least two minutes too long. It, too, subdues into a wash of chattering electronics, as if an envoy to the next, equally inconsequential track.

Despite its long-windedness, Frances the Mute doesn't require a long attention span: It's as mesmeric as it is mercurial. Like an effective pop novelist, the Mars Volta manage to convey vast amounts of information in easily digestible fashion without saying much at all. Zone out to the closing 30-minute "Cassandra Gemini" for proof: Even at this length, the track seems brief, sailing by in stupefyingly uneventful fashion. What may at first seem like extraordinary, ceaseless fluidity gradually sublimates into wah-wah wish-wash. Smoke a bowl first if you need to, but nothing short of opium will convince me that there aren't more productive ways to spend 30 minutes trying to fell a redwood with a plastic spoon than listening to this beast.

At least some things haven't changed. For instance, Frances largely retains the audacity of De-Loused's lyrics. "Cassandra Gemini" approaches storytelling with the same breed of macabre circumlocution that pocked the band's debut. (A grizzled, possibly vocoded voice delivers this bracing narrative: "There was a frail syrup dripping off his lap-danced lapel, punctuated by her decrepit prowl/ She washed down the hatching, gizzard soft as a mane of needles.") But no matter what your feelings for De-Loused, at least the band had a mind to curtail their most capricious jams before they lost all context. Here, they seem hellbent on making an album that's as contiguous as possible, and the result is a homogeneous shitheap of stream-of-consciousness turgidity.

:bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

BigBadZep!
February 28th, 2005, 11:59 AM
:owned:

BigBadZep!
February 28th, 2005, 12:08 PM
Here, maybe this will cheer you up. Allmusic gave the album a 4.5/5.

The Mars Volta's 2003 debut was a dense, experimental run-on sentence of science fiction and musical exploration. But though it ultimately rewarded patience with stretches of unbuckled rock & roll genius, De-Loused in the Comatorium was also a maze-like and obtuse migraine dealer that made people frustrated and crazy. For 2005's Frances the Mute Omar Rodriguez Lopez and Cedric Bixler worked principally with their touring band, but "joining the band for selected moments" are strings, horns, electronic programming, pals Flea and John Frusciante, and the coqui frogs of Puerto Rico. There are no song breaks, making the track listing more of an outline. But Mute's printed lyrics are a helpful guide, a map of Mars that's meant to both direct and fascinate. "She was a mink handjob in sarcophagus heels"; "Don't be afraid when all the worms come crawlin out of your head"; "they were scaling through an ice pick of abscess reckoning and when Miranda sang everyone turned away..." — perhaps the only match for the cerebral weirdness and eventual beauty of Mars Volta's lyrics is their music itself. The roar of Rodriguez Lopez and Bixler's post-hardcore past is fully locked away, replaced by an equally powerful flair for expressive percussion, intricate vocal harmonies and extended solos for electric guitar (as on the initial part of "Cygnus...Vismund Cygnus"). Sure, there are moments on Mute that reach the grandiose heights of heavy music — "L' Via L' Viaquez"'s ear-splitting changes will blow back your hair. But the same song is sung half in Spanish, half in English, and its flashes of heaviness fall between stretches of Afro-Cuban rhythm. Other portions of Frances the Mute are murky and distant, like field recordings from the ocean floor, while still others shift drastically between brittle acoustics and a stuttering, guitar-led volatility that threatens to crack open the earth. Its constant shifts mean the record is claustrophobic and even dizzying; it demands perseverance. But it's great when a blast of a trumpet cuts through a gloomy moment, and Bixler's vocals are a thread to reality. For example, while his lyrics for "Miranda That Ghost Just Isn't Holy Anymore" and "Widow" are mysterious poems, he sings them with a fervor that's immediately identifiable. That passion is evident throughout Frances the Mute; it's the organic fever that was buried on Comatorium.

Pudie
February 28th, 2005, 12:26 PM
^ Cool.

Pitchfork is about the only bad review I've read about FTM. Everyone else is singing its prasies. Shows what pitchfork knows.

BigBadZep!
February 28th, 2005, 12:48 PM
Everyone always treats pitchfork like it's some big collective consciousness. They have different writers with different opinions. In my opinion, some of their writers kick mucho ass. Their reviews are quality reading(and can be very informative too). Others, well, big fat meh.

Pudie
February 28th, 2005, 01:08 PM
I tend to agree with them some time and dont care that they didn't like the album. but a 2.0. C`mon.

And I do like their writers. Excpt that one radiohead review. LMFAO!

The Judas Cow
February 28th, 2005, 05:00 PM
Hmm... Frucinate and Flea you say... I may have to give TMV another listen.

Pudie
February 28th, 2005, 06:26 PM
Flea did bass on De Loused

The Judas Cow
February 28th, 2005, 06:29 PM
:drool:

I did not know that, I've only seen them live, and that bassist was nothing to write home about.

altair16
February 28th, 2005, 07:25 PM
On FTM, John does the first two guitar solos in L' Via and Flea does trumpet in The Widow and Miranda.

B
February 28th, 2005, 10:33 PM
Somebody post The Widow song. That was the only interest i got out of watching MTV for 3 hours.

Pudie
February 28th, 2005, 11:45 PM
its on their webpage

kris46and2
March 1st, 2005, 12:23 PM
just bought the album today i atwork at the momen so gonna listen when i get in

dionysusolympus
March 1st, 2005, 12:27 PM
Somebody post The Widow song. That was the only interest i got out of watching MTV for 3 hours.

Are you officially brain-dead yet? :shame:

Pudie
March 1st, 2005, 12:31 PM
just bought the album today i atwork at the momen so gonna listen when i get in
Enjoy

Jonesy
March 3rd, 2005, 04:09 PM
I just got this today. It will take a few listens but i'll like it for sure, i already do. Some of the long stretches of...noise is kinda overdone, at least for me. But it certainly has many more good things than bad. Also it only costs a little over $8...did everyone else pay around that?

I think I'm going to play the song with spanish vocals for my spanish class, maybe get some kind of extra credit, my professor about has an orgasm when he finds out someone in the class owns and enjoys something spanish. :cheers:

Pudie
March 3rd, 2005, 04:45 PM
L'via is the best song on the album IMO. Im listening to it right now.

Jonesy
March 3rd, 2005, 04:48 PM
As of now, I agree.

Pudie
March 3rd, 2005, 04:52 PM
I love how it peaks. MmMm .

Jonesy
March 3rd, 2005, 04:57 PM
Yeah, and i love the cuban type breakdowns.

Pudie
March 3rd, 2005, 05:06 PM
progressive sci fi salsa punk :metal: :metal: :metal:

Jonesy
March 3rd, 2005, 05:10 PM
and stuff

mjk870621345
March 3rd, 2005, 07:26 PM
i have a live version of "The widow"

good stuff

Jonesy
March 4th, 2005, 02:09 PM
Cygnus....Vismund Cygnus is now my favorite. :nana:

Agent
March 4th, 2005, 02:50 PM
word, the mars volta sucks.

Jonesy
March 4th, 2005, 04:05 PM
word, the mars volta sucks.

pfft, you're just silly :loon:

:laugh:

BigBadZep!
March 4th, 2005, 07:42 PM
I would give it a good solid 7.0.

mjk870621345
March 4th, 2005, 10:00 PM
word, the mars volta sucks.

:dotus:

Tzarina
March 13th, 2005, 09:24 AM
The Mars Volta
Frances the Mute
[Universal; 2005]
Rating: 2.0
Here, they seem hellbent on making an album that's as contiguous as possible, and the result is a homogeneous shitheap of stream-of-consciousness turgidity.

:bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Grr... Hey Puds isn't Pitchfork the same thing that said that stupid fucking Brittany Spears song is actually good or something... so yea, fuck em... :dual:

Pudie
March 13th, 2005, 10:34 AM
Grr... Hey Puds isn't Pitchfork the same thing that said that stupid fucking Brittany Spears song is actually good or something... so yea, fuck em... :dual:
Yup yup. They called it the second best single of last year or some shit like that. Fookin idiots.

Tzarina
March 13th, 2005, 11:22 AM
Yup yup. They called it the second best single of last year or some shit like that. Fookin idiots.
That's what I thought I remembered :wink:
So we KNOW their musical opinion is worthless... :bash:

I don't mean to be dense Puds, but when you have a couple minutes could you explain for me more what Pitchfork is... I have only seen the stuff in your posts... :blush:

Pudie
March 13th, 2005, 11:28 AM
pitchfork is the most popular indie webiste. Has reviews , downloads , articles , news , etc.


www.pitchforkmedia.com

I agree with them some times , and over all agree with their thoughts on music and what not. But when they are wrong they are reallllly fucking wrong.

Tzarina
March 13th, 2005, 11:43 AM
Thanks Puds, and THANKS for the link :smile:
I appriciate it... :nod:

B
March 13th, 2005, 06:30 PM
"I recently purchased Frances the Mute (the first of Mars Volta i've heard), and I am not too impressed with it, although the musicians make sure the listener knows that they each are very skilled technically. The Widow single is the only easily consumable track off of this album, while the majority consists of weaving, off-time breaks that stem to the point of incoherence, while the singer croons along in a stream of consciousness, with musical coalescing into psychadelic and jazz-flavored breaks which only serve as a segue, juxtaposed between the blaring cacophony of instruments. Soundwise, the CD fairs well, but the mastering is a tad heavy on the compression. This album definitely needs time to breathe, and you can not readily grasp it in the first few listens. If nothing else, it sure is interesting."

^ thats what i think of the album too. :bassist:

CloserToGod
March 13th, 2005, 07:48 PM
Ha, the reason I don't read Pitchfork. Pretenious (sp?) indie snobs. You should check out their review of NIN's "The Line Begins to Blur".

BigBadZep!
March 13th, 2005, 09:03 PM
Grr... Hey Puds isn't Pitchfork the same thing that said that stupid fucking Brittany Spears song is actually good or something... so yea, fuck em... :dual:

Hey. Toxic is a catchy song.

B
March 13th, 2005, 09:46 PM
Tool's Lateralus got a sweet 1.9 rating there.

"Tool defines "opus" as taking their 'defining element' (wanking sludge) and stretching it out to the maximum digital capacity of a compact disc."

my thoughts exactly.

toolgemini
March 14th, 2005, 01:49 AM
what the fucck
these people are obviously
very fucking retarded
wow
i think FTM is the best music i have heard IN AGES

7 years not counting tool apc and radiohead

toolgemini
March 14th, 2005, 01:49 AM
Tool's Lateralus got a sweet 1.9 rating there.

"Tool defines "opus" as taking their 'defining element' (wanking sludge) and stretching it out to the maximum digital capacity of a compact disc."

my thoughts exactly.
wow
see

stewps

toolgemini
March 14th, 2005, 01:51 AM
On FTM, John does the first two guitar solos in L' Via and Flea does trumpet in The Widow and Miranda.
orgasms at first two solos
i mean fucking wow

B
March 14th, 2005, 02:24 AM
them solos are good stuff.

Pudie
March 14th, 2005, 10:26 AM
what the fucck
these people are obviously
very fucking retarded
wow
i think FTM is the best music i have heard IN AGES

7 years not counting tool apc and radiohead


:inlove: :beat: :inlove: :beat: :inlove: :beat: :inlove: :beat:

B
March 17th, 2005, 04:01 AM
Frances the Mute isnt that good. I've listened to the album 3 times through already, and i have to say that the pitchfork review is pretty accurate IMO.

Agent
March 17th, 2005, 11:26 AM
Frances the Mute isnt that good. I've listened to the album 3 times through already, and i have to say that the pitchfork review is pretty accurate IMO.
right you are.

they could easily be one of the worst bands of all time, along with radiohead.

Pudie
March 17th, 2005, 12:01 PM
Apples and oranges. I think it's easily one of the best record of this decade.

BigBadZep!
March 17th, 2005, 12:09 PM
Frances the Mute isnt that good. I've listened to the album 3 times through already, and i have to say that the pitchfork review is pretty accurate IMO.

Yeah. The 2 rating is ridiculously low, but they make some good points in the review. Definitely not one of the best albums of the decade.

Raynoch11
June 24th, 2005, 12:54 PM
I didn't read that, could you summarize it? tia