The Official NFL Thread..

[DJSteel]

Payton tried to think too much about how to attack the colts defense... they never went deep.. hell they didn't even playaction... they looked like a college team out there...

[Da Rafsta]

I agree with what Steel just said, they didn't look like last year's Saints but still.....the Colts D, for having lost all they did this off-season, sure didn't look like no push over. I thought they'd get physically bullied and they didn't.

[Da Rafsta]

haha! Pops came out from under them rocks! Good stuff!

[sneakypete]

man, downtown was CRAZY last night. fuckin white and blue everything.

The pace of the game was great...i loved the pep talk payton commercial....and I LOVED how payton threw all over David last night.

[Bruce]

damn straight, the colts have a soft schedule this year...particularly this year. the saints have some fairly easy games, then midway, they get hit fairly hard.

at least i was partially right in my prediction through the first half, but the colts just destroyed the saints in the second half. at least football is here, and dallas clark looked awesome last night, :byrche:.

:woo2:






:phi:

[dionysusolympus]

the best one had to be the romo/jerry jones commercial imo. that totally cracked me up. and the peyton manning pep talk/dance commercial...that one was also good.

[Da Rafsta]

man, downtown was CRAZY last night. fuckin white and blue everything.

The pace of the game was great...i loved the pep talk payton commercial....and I LOVED how payton threw all over David last night.
I loved how Reggie Bush owned the game.

[sneakypete]

you dont even know

[DJSteel]

IMO.. the Saint horrible playcalling and all-around play made the Colts look better than they actually are...

[Bruce]

I know, dude. They totally suck. :five:

[sneakypete]

I know, dude. They totally suck. :five:


:clap2:

[sneakypete]

haters....

the colts won more games in a row last year than payton manning won total in the first 3 seasons in indianapolis, its not like they are the yankees.

only 4 player on the entire colts roster have ever played anywhere else and i can only name 2 of them, booger mcfaraland and vinteri.

why does everyone hate the colts?

blah blah blah, they only win cause the bears, saints, etc. play bad. you ever think the saints looked like shit because they got fucking crushed. eat dicks.

[Bruce]

:what:

[sneakypete]

sorry, i just get pissed.

[dionysusolympus]

it must be your period. we forgive you.

[Keith Moon]

- Bring back the Oilers' jerseys.

[DJSteel]

haters....

the colts won more games in a row last year than payton manning won total in the first 3 seasons in indianapolis, its not like they are the yankees.

only 4 player on the entire colts roster have ever played anywhere else and i can only name 2 of them, booger mcfaraland and vinteri.

why does everyone hate the colts?

blah blah blah, they only win cause the bears, saints, etc. play bad. you ever think the saints looked like shit because they got fucking crushed. eat dicks.


lmao.. because they reside in a shitty division and like the Patriots 'dynasty' they don't have any competition to knock them out of the division lead..

so what they don't have many free agent pick ups.. Steelers do the same.. their last big free agent signing was Duce Staley...lol

[Da Rafsta]

Colts kick ass regardless of their division. They proved it in the playoffs last year, they prove it every year...hell, they proved it in the Super Bowl, they proved it last night. It's not just cause the AFC South doens't give them much competition. They could be in whatever division and they'd still own.

[sneakypete]

who would knock them off besides the patriots? the chargers? no, they will be lucky to win 9 games this season.

[DJSteel]

Colts kick ass regardless of their division. They proved it in the playoffs last year, they prove it every year...hell, they proved it in the Super Bowl, they proved it last night. It's not just cause the AFC South doens't give them much competition. They could be in whatever division and they'd still own.

you can't be serious.. put them in a physical division like the AFC North... I'd bet you they would stumble...

[sneakypete]

Colts kick ass regardless of their division. They proved it in the playoffs last year, they prove it every year...hell, they proved it in the Super Bowl, they proved it last night. It's not just cause the AFC South doens't give them much competition. They could be in whatever division and they'd still own.


thank you raf! DJ, yes the colts have a somewhat fluff schedule...beside the saints / bucs / and pats.

i dont mean to get heated about it, i just hate when people dont give credit where credit is due.

[Da Rafsta]

you can't be serious.. put them in a physical division like the AFC North... I'd bet you they would stumble...

Steel...I am serious. They prove it year after year. They beat the best of teams. Don't speak like they can only beat up on inferior teams. Every season, during the regular season they beat the best of them. In playoffs is where they've fallen short before until last year but their regular season schedule proves they can take on the toughest of them and still remain a force and come out division champs year after year.


I have no doubt that if they were in the AFC North....they'd be an ever better team, not only division champs.

[DJSteel]

1. The AFC Championship game was the Super Bowl.. no one in the NFC can beat any of the top 4-5 teams in AFC..from the NFC...

2. The Colts will always be good until the rest of the teams come to actually play in a season.. Jags have no QB, Houston has no defense, Tennessee is mediocre at best..

3. To be honest, Payton out thunk and coached himself out of a win in that second half.. They never took a risk down field.. and their defense stinks..so did I think they'd stop the Colts.. hell no.. but I did think their offense would atleast show up yesterday

[DJSteel]

Steel...I am serious. They prove it year after year. They beat the best of teams. Don't speak like they can only beat up on inferior teams. Every season, during the regular season they beat the best of them. In playoffs is where they've fallen short before until last year but their regular season schedule proves they can take on the toughest of them and still remain a force and come out division champs year after year.


I have no doubt that if they were in the AFC North....they'd be an ever better team, not only division champs.

you are wrong raf.. they'd struggle against Pittsburgh and Baltimore...

[paniro777]

you can't be serious.. put them in a physical division like the AFC North... I'd bet you they would stumble...

you and your "weak division" arguement!!! lmfao. Theres only 6 division games played, plenty of room for a team that isn't as good as they seem to be to be exposed when they play 12 non division games. You make way too much of this whole division nonsense.

AFC North - lmfao, give me a break. By your own admission the bengals are over-rated and won't go anywhere. Browns are a joke. Steelers are very average at this point. And so it all rides on the ravens, a team with a pretty bad offense and good defense with an aging MLB. LMFAO.

Colts would mud stomp all thru that division.

[sneakypete]

you can't be serious.. put them in a physical division like the AFC North... I'd bet you they would stumble...


:LMAO: ravens, steelers, bengals, browns?!?!?!

ravens? maybe...did we not beat them in the playoffs?

bengals? chad johnsons guaranteed win? oh yeah he didnt catch one ball that game.

do i need to say anything about the steelers and browns? we will let them be gay with eachother on their own.

[DJSteel]

you and your "weak division" arguement!!! lmfao. Theres only 6 division games played, plenty of room for a team that isn't as good as they seem to be to be exposed when they play 12 non division games. You make way too much of this whole division nonsense.

AFC North - lmfao, give me a break. By your own admission the bengals are over-rated and won't go anywhere. Browns are a joke. Steelers are very average at this point. And so it all rides on the ravens, a team with a pretty bad offense and good defense with an aging MLB. LMFAO.

Colts would mud stomp all thru that division.


6 division wins... 4 more gets you a playoff spot.. it makes a big difference... ask the Broncos...

[dionysusolympus]

put the Colts in the NFC East division, and that "injury" to Addai would've indeed have been serious. But the Colts do have a "fluff" schedule.

[DJSteel]

:LMAO: ravens, steelers, bengals, browns?!?!?!

ravens? maybe...did we not beat them in the playoffs?

bengals? chad johnsons guaranteed win? oh yeah he didnt catch one ball that game.

do i need to say anything about the steelers and browns? we will let them be gay with eachother on their own.


now I know you are smoking some fucked up weed.. The Steelers will be good again and win their 6th Super Bowl soon.. just give Tomlin a chance to right the ship... alright Gollum?

[sneakypete]

im out of here before i bust a nut and none of you haters are worth it....have fun watching the steelers lose and cya in the superbowl.

[Da Rafsta]

you are wrong raf.. they'd struggle against Pittsburgh and Baltimore...
Probably struggle, as in them giving them a tough battle but that would only make the Colts an ever better team...as aformentioned.


Lets look and see. When did the AFC South play the AFC North? Wasn't it two seasons ago...the season the Steelers went to the Super Bowl, right? Lets see how the Colts faired against that division.

Green = AFC North
Pink = Good AFC playoff team.


How did Indy fair? Okay...they got beat by S.D. but they can afford to do that when THEY SWEEP THE F'EN AFC NORTH!!!

C'mon man. No need to rape the Colts of their glory man. They are what they are and they are a bad ass team regardless of what division they're in.

1Sep 11IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 24 @ BAL (http://www.nfl.com/teams/baltimoreravens/profile?team=BAL) 7
FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28539&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG1)

2Sep 18JAC (http://www.nfl.com/teams/jacksonvillejaguars/profile?team=JAX) 3 @ IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 10FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28545&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG2)

3Sep 25CLE (http://www.nfl.com/teams/clevelandbrowns/profile?team=CLV) 6 @ IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 13FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28560&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG3)

4Oct 02IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 31 @ TEN (http://www.nfl.com/teams/tennesseetitans/profile?team=TEN) 10FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28578&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG4)

5Oct 09IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 28 @ SF (http://www.nfl.com/teams/sanfrancisco49ers/profile?team=SF) 3FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28593&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG5)

6Oct 17STL (http://www.nfl.com/teams/st.louisrams/profile?team=STL) 28 @ IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 45FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28612&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG6)

7Oct 23IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 38 @ HOU (http://www.nfl.com/teams/houstontexans/profile?team=HOU) 20FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28615&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG7)

8Bye

9Nov 07IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 40 @ NE (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newenglandpatriots/profile?team=NE) 21FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28654&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG9)

10Nov 13HOU (http://www.nfl.com/teams/houstontexans/profile?team=HOU) 17 @ IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 31FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28658&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG10)

11Nov 20IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 45 @ CIN (http://www.nfl.com/teams/cincinnatibengals/profile?team=CIN) 37FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28671&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG11)

12Nov 28PIT (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT) 7 @ IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 26FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28700&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG12)

13Dec 04TEN (http://www.nfl.com/teams/tennesseetitans/profile?team=TEN) 3 @ IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 35FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28706&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG13)

14Dec 11IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 26 @ JAC (http://www.nfl.com/teams/jacksonvillejaguars/profile?team=JAX) 18FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28720&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG14)

15Dec 18SD (http://www.nfl.com/teams/sandiegochargers/profile?team=SD) 26 @ IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 17FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28737&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG15)

16Dec 24IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 13 @ SEA (http://www.nfl.com/teams/seattleseahawks/profile?team=SEA) 28FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28761&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG16)

17Jan 01ARI (http://www.nfl.com/teams/arizonacardinals/profile?team=ARZ) 13 @ IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 17FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28769&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG17)

[Da Rafsta]

sorry if it looked like shit previously...I fixed it up where it's legible now.

[Keith Moon]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/1/495881_ecd9fdd5f7_m.jpg

[dionysusolympus]

sorry if it looked like shit previously...I fixed it up where it's legible now.

http://www.encircling.us/photoplog/file_2372.jpg

[sneakypete]

oh shivvy...here keith

http://ifoughtthelaw.cementhorizon.com/cute8yt.gif

[Da Rafsta]

oh shivvy...here keith

http://ifoughtthelaw.cementhorizon.com/cute8yt.gif

I already know what Mago's reply's going to be....:lol:

[dionysusolympus]

I already know what Mago's reply's going to be....:lol:

http://www.encircling.us/photoplog/file_2327.jpg

[MAGO]

:brows:

[DJSteel]

Probably struggle, as in them giving them a tough battle but that would only make the Colts an ever better team...as aformentioned.


Lets look and see. When did the AFC South play the AFC North? Wasn't it two seasons ago...the season the Steelers went to the Super Bowl, right? Lets see how the Colts faired against that division.

Green = AFC North
Pink = Good AFC playoff team.


How did Indy fair? Okay...they got beat by S.D. but they can afford to do that when THEY SWEEP THE F'EN AFC NORTH!!!

C'mon man. No need to rape the Colts of their glory man. They are what they are and they are a bad ass team regardless of what division they're in.

1Sep 11IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 24 @ BAL (http://www.nfl.com/teams/baltimoreravens/profile?team=BAL) 7
FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28539&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG1)

2Sep 18JAC (http://www.nfl.com/teams/jacksonvillejaguars/profile?team=JAX) 3 @ IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 10FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28545&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG2)

3Sep 25CLE (http://www.nfl.com/teams/clevelandbrowns/profile?team=CLV) 6 @ IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 13FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28560&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG3)

4Oct 02IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 31 @ TEN (http://www.nfl.com/teams/tennesseetitans/profile?team=TEN) 10FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28578&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG4)

5Oct 09IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 28 @ SF (http://www.nfl.com/teams/sanfrancisco49ers/profile?team=SF) 3FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28593&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG5)

6Oct 17STL (http://www.nfl.com/teams/st.louisrams/profile?team=STL) 28 @ IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 45FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28612&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG6)

7Oct 23IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 38 @ HOU (http://www.nfl.com/teams/houstontexans/profile?team=HOU) 20FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28615&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG7)

8Bye

9Nov 07IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 40 @ NE (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newenglandpatriots/profile?team=NE) 21FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28654&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG9)

10Nov 13HOU (http://www.nfl.com/teams/houstontexans/profile?team=HOU) 17 @ IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 31FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28658&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG10)

11Nov 20IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 45 @ CIN (http://www.nfl.com/teams/cincinnatibengals/profile?team=CIN) 37FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28671&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG11)

12Nov 28PIT (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT) 7 @ IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 26FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28700&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG12)

13Dec 04TEN (http://www.nfl.com/teams/tennesseetitans/profile?team=TEN) 3 @ IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 35FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28706&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG13)

14Dec 11IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 26 @ JAC (http://www.nfl.com/teams/jacksonvillejaguars/profile?team=JAX) 18FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28720&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG14)

15Dec 18SD (http://www.nfl.com/teams/sandiegochargers/profile?team=SD) 26 @ IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 17FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28737&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG15)

16Dec 24IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 13 @ SEA (http://www.nfl.com/teams/seattleseahawks/profile?team=SEA) 28FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28761&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG16)

17Jan 01ARI (http://www.nfl.com/teams/arizonacardinals/profile?team=ARZ) 13 @ IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) 17FINAL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=28769&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2005&week=REG17)

bah.. that was 2 years ago and the Steelers won the meeting in the playoffs...

[Bruce]

I just joined a pool at work. You pull a team from a hat. That is your team for the season. You pay a buck a week. Whose ever team scores exactly 30 points in a game is the winner and gets the pot at that time. I pulled the Dolphins. :sad2:

[DJSteel]

im out of here before i bust a nut and none of you haters are worth it....have fun watching the steelers lose and cya in the superbowl.


I'll sig that.. and once your boys lose then you'll eat your words...

[MAGO]

I just joined a pool at work. You pull a team from a hat. That is your team for the season. You pay a buck a week. Whose ever team scores exactly 30 points in a game is the winner and gets the pot at that time. I pulled the Dolphins. :sad2:

:lmao:

[Keith Moon]

oh shivvy...here keith

http://ifoughtthelaw.cementhorizon.com/cute8yt.gif


- :inlove:

[MAGO]

:jerk2: ?

[Da Rafsta]

bah.. that was 2 years ago and the Steelers won the meeting in the playoffs...

I know they won the final battle in the playoffs...but playoffs here is irrelevant. We're talking about how the Colts always have a fighting chance cause they're given a playoff/division champ spot by default since the division doens't give them competition. You said that if they were in the North...things would be so different. I said they wouldn't and provided some proof.....a sweep. This year...they'll own teams yet again. The AFC South isn't all they play all season. They play 11 other teams of different division and different conferences and 2 teams of their tier (play off teams play 2 playoff teams from same conference). They don't only win their divisonal games, no sir.

[Da Rafsta]

:jerk2: ?
:lol:....yeah...

[MAGO]

:nanner24: !!!

[sneakypete]

I'll sig that.. and once your boys lose then you'll eat your words...

lose to who?

p.s. i put a hilarious joke in my sig

[Keith Moon]

- I can't see sigs. :sad2:

[MAGO]

turn the monitor upside down to see what's on the bottom of your screen :up:

[Da Rafsta]

- I can't see sigs. :sad2:

I do...

I SEE SIGS....

http://oatmeal.mafmods.com/images/Movie_i_see_dead_people.jpg

[DJSteel]

I know they won the final battle in the playoffs...but playoffs here is irrelevant. We're talking about how the Colts always have a fighting chance cause they're given a playoff/division champ spot by default since the division doens't give them competition. You said that if they were in the North...things would be so different. I said they wouldn't and provided some proof.....a sweep. This year...they'll own teams yet again. The AFC South isn't all they play all season. They play 11 other teams of different division and different conferences and 2 teams of their tier (play off teams play 2 playoff teams from same conference). They don't only win their divisonal games, no sir.


lmao.. this is funny..

[Da Rafsta]

lmao.. this is funny..
it might be funny but it's the truth man. The AFC South plays a tough division this year, the AFC East. It'll be interesting to see how the Colts do against them.

[DJSteel]

lose to who?

p.s. i put a hilarious joke in my sig

funny thing about that is even though it might be a joke to you, that there really is no way to prove or disprove it.. it's just my thought.. not a prediction like yours

[MAGO]

OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!NOHEDIDN' T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bruce]

:girlfriend:

[Keith Moon]

- I think we can all agree that the Browns will go undefeated this year, srs. I mean there's no other way around that.

[MAGO]

What can Brown do for you?

[sneakypete]

funny thing about that is even though it might be a joke to you, that there really is no way to prove or disprove it.. it's just my thought.. not a prediction like yours


ok, sorry for jumping to such an extreme prediction, i really dont care if the colts go to the superbowl, i just want to make a point that whinners like you find any excuse to cut down a team that runs over your own. man up and take the loss.

as for a "thought"...it is a FACT that the colts fucked the AFC north up last year.

[Da Rafsta]

ok, sorry for jumping to such an extreme prediction, i really dont care if the colts go to the superbowl, i just want to make a point that whinners like you find any excuse to cut down a team that runs over your own. man up and take the loss.

as for a "thought"...it is a FACT that the colts fucked the NFC north up last year.
You mean....AFC North...

[sneakypete]

yeah....what he said. i shouldnt be doing this while trying to work...i get too mad.

[dionysusolympus]

:byrche:, more like the Lolphins. :shame: :what:

[Bruce]

I suck. :hrmph:

They don't have to win. Just score thirty points. :shrug:

[Keith Moon]

- But you can't go over, right?

[Bruce]

Nope.

As if. :lol:

[DJSteel]

I bet Brady Quinn starts by week 4..

[jazz]

if the browns keep playing the way they do, they might as well give him game time for next season..

man, what a heartbreaker to lose to the skins in ot. :shame: i'll give the lolphins the benefit of the doubt since they overhauled about 50% of the team (including coaches), but not next week. :bat:

..and i didn't think the jets would win against the pats, but goddamn. :what:

[Modus Ponens]

if the browns keep playing the way they do, they might as well give him game time for next season..

man, what a heartbreaker to lose to the skins in ot. :shame: i'll give the lolphins the benefit of the doubt since they overhauled about 50% of the team (including coaches), but not next week. :bat:

..and i didn't think the jets would win against the pats, but goddamn. :what:

Hail to the Redskins!

[jazz]

you'll be cheering for us next week lol

[Bruce]

I see no one has scored 30 yet. :sonic2:

[bleuMadonna]

..and i didn't think the jets would win against the pats, but goddamn. :what:

:woo: :woo: :woo:

[DJSteel]

I see no one has scored 30 yet. :sonic2:

what???

[jazz]

Success is still an offseason away (http://www.encircling.us/go.php?url=http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-0909dolhyde,0,4796023.column)

sadly, i agree with this article :hrmph:

[dionysusolympus]

the eagles special teams are gay. the ny jets fans are much worse than eagles fans. pennington got hurt -- again (waiting for mcnabb's turn). and practically no running back did much of anything this weekend.

[Da Rafsta]

man....I don't know why I picked the Iggles to win. I really thought I'd chosen the Packers to. At heart I did. I probably just forgot to jot it down in my post cause I really did have the Packers winning that one. I like their corp of LBs.

[bleuMadonna]

the eagles special teams are gay. the ny jets fans are much worse than eagles fans. pennington got hurt -- again (waiting for mcnabb's turn). and practically no running back did much of anything this weekend.

Why would they have Greg Lewis as a punt returner anyway? He's not even that good of a receiver.

[dionysusolympus]

Why would they have Greg Lewis as a punt returner anyway? He's not even that good of a receiver.

agreed. hopefully, jeremy bloom will return. but randy moss did great!!! :dio2: he saved my ff team from an incredible disaster.

[bleuMadonna]

agreed. hopefully, jeremy bloom will return. but randy moss did great!!! :dio2: he saved my ff team from an incredible disaster.
Yeah, what a debut for Moss! I loved it, of course. Go Pats!

[Modus Ponens]

you'll be cheering for us next week lol


This is true.

One question for you...........what did you think of Mike Sellers yesterday? :eee:

[Modus Ponens]

Success is still an offseason away (http://www.encircling.us/go.php?url=http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-0909dolhyde,0,4796023.column)

sadly, i agree with this article :hrmph:

You guys HAVE to get younger on defense. They looked completely gassed by the 4th quarter. That's the last thing you want a coach like Gibbs to see because he will punish you for it.

The line and the rest of the offense will come around under Cameron. He's a very good offensive minded coach. I liked him when he was an assistant with the Skins. Green is a great stop gap for a year or 2 but you need to draft a guy this year. If I were the Dolphins I would draft a QB in the 1st round and spend the rest of the draft on D-Linemen and maybe a project WR.

[jazz]

This is true.

One question for you...........what did you think of Mike Sellers yesterday? :eee:
i don't know. i was too busy looking for xbox controllers to destroy :bleu:

[jazz]

You guys HAVE to get younger on defense. They looked completely gassed by the 4th quarter. That's the last thing you want a coach like Gibbs to see because he will punish you for it.

The line and the rest of the offense will come around under Cameron. He's a very good offensive minded coach. I liked him when he was an assistant with the Skins. Green is a great stop gap for a year or 2 but you need to draft a guy this year. If I were the Dolphins I would draft a QB in the 1st round and spend the rest of the draft on D-Linemen and maybe a project WR.
yep. we really do need to get younger players on d, but i think we need more help on our secondary than anything else at this moment.

i'm liking cameron myself too. previous dolphin coaches would have NEVER gone for the touchdown on 4th down to close out the second quarter, so i liked the ballsy call. hey, and if it doesn't work out, at least we have the other team's offense backed up on the 1...dangerous with our defense.

and we did get a qb, remember john beck (http://www.encircling.us/forums/showthread.php?t=8347)? he's 25-26, so it won't be long until we use him. we also have cleo lemon, but he hasn't really stood out for me. i guess he'd make an ok backup, but with our o-line, i wouldn't put anyone other than a scrambler like vick back there. :lol:

[Bruce]

Go look at your nudie pic, yo. :sonic2:

[jazz]

sowwy

:ontome2:

[Modus Ponens]

yep. we really do need to get younger players on d, but i think we need more help on our secondary than anything else at this moment.

i'm liking cameron myself too. previous dolphin coaches would have NEVER gone for the touchdown on 4th down to close out the second quarter, so i liked the ballsy call. hey, and if it doesn't work out, at least we have the other team's offense backed up on the 1...dangerous with our defense.

and we did get a qb, remember john beck (http://www.encircling.us/forums/showthread.php?t=8347)? he's 25-26, so it won't be long until we use him. we also have cleo lemon, but he hasn't really stood out for me. i guess he'd make an ok backup, but with our o-line, i wouldn't put anyone other than a scrambler like vick back there. :lol:

Brain fart. Forgot about Beck. I think Cameron and his staff can correct your OL problems without doing anything too drastic. I like Carey at LT. And the right side of your line looked pretty good in pass protection. Not so good at run blocking though. I hope that has more to do with our rush defense though. :eee: We were atrocious against the run last year (5.5 ypc). It seemed like every week someone was rushing for a career high against us. :grrr: If yesterday was any indication that won't happen this year.

Btw.....I hate ZT. Jansen is done for the year because of him. :frown2:
"When I got rolled up on, I could feel things pop. I could feel things break," Jansen said. "My foot was pointing the wrong way. ... It was quite painful. It was a little less painful after they reset it on the field there." ---Jansen is hard as nails.

[Modus Ponens]

i don't know. i was too busy looking for xbox controllers to destroy :bleu:

Cmon! He carried Taylor, Allen, and Porter like rag dolls before ZT finished him off. And I don't care if it was only for 3 yards. :ohyou:

The boogeyman might check his closet for Chuck Norris, but Chuck Norris checks his closet for Mike Sellers.

[jazz]

Cmon! He carried Taylor, Allen, and Porter like rag dolls before ZT finished him off. And I don't care if it was only for 3 yards. :ohyou:

The boogeyman might check his closet for Chuck Norris, but Chuck Norris checks his closet for Mike Sellers.
oh, that guy, my bad. yes, that was very impressive.

i thought he was on pcp or something. it seemed like the only way to take him out was to shatter his knee caps lol

[jazz]

Torn Achilles' ends Bell's season (http://www.encircling.us/go.php?url=http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-flspdolphins11xnbsep11,0,5857244.story)

:sigh:

[DJSteel]

lmao...so New England cheated..am I surprised??? no...

[MAGO]

cheaters!!!!!...no wonder they won!! :hide:

[dionysusolympus]

you lost because you have pennington.

[MAGO]

actually we lost because the defense didn't show up....Brady had all the time in the world to throw the ball....then Vilma is down the field covering Moss?!..WTF!!..one more game like that and i'm sure head's will roll...... :shame:

[dionysusolympus]

just playing with you. i know -- randy moss was covered by three defenders and still made the catch. and none of the running backs this weekend did much this weekend and monday. the only running back that did anything was addai. hopefully, next week will be better.

[MAGO]

i hope so too...i think a lot of it had to do with them not playing much during the pre-season....Gore and Johnson better step their game up :what:

[Da Rafsta]

I really believe that when Rodney and Rich come back, the Pats will be unstoppable. There's simply no question about it.

[DJSteel]

not if they cheated... bastards...lol

[Modus Ponens]

Pics from my seats in the lower rim.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/jayman42/game3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/jayman42/game4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/jayman42/game6.jpg

[dionysusolympus]

nice pics, dude. jason campbell still needs some mileage under the hood though, but he shows potential.

[Bruce]

I'd jerk off to those cheerleaders but, they look 13. :hrmph:

[bleuMadonna]

not if they cheated... bastards...lol

LOL, that sneaky Belichick :shame:

[jazz]

Pics from my seats in the lower rim.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/jayman42/game4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/jayman42/game6.jpg
dude, zoom in more :nod:

[jazz]

I'd jerk off to those cheerleaders but, they look 13. :hrmph:
i'm ashamed myself

:asif:

[MAGO]

Santana better get his head out of his ass and start producing or i'll have to make some changes to my FF team :gaynoes:

[jazz]

the dolphin receivers better stop using butter on their gloves...the game would've been completely different had they not dropped all those passes (like 5 or 6).

shitheads.

[MAGO]

so how many punts did the #9 overall pick return on Sunday? :sonic2:

[jazz]

all of them, i think :huh: he had one pretty good run, the rest were all meh.

JUST DON'T FUMBLE IT :what:

[MAGO]

hay dios mio :thud:

[jazz]

well, like i said, he ain't no hester (least not yet)

[MAGO]

he's got the speed, let's see if Green has the time to get him the ball :what:

[dionysusolympus]

hay dios mio :thud:

dios this. :diomago:

at least the lolphins guy can actually catch the stoopid football... :shame:

[jazz]

he's got the speed, let's see if Green has the time to get him the ball :what:
exactly.

and i was surprised that green was so efficient. the wides made him look bad.

[sneakypete]

THE BROWNS SHIP CHARLIE FRYE OFF TO SEATTLE:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7214446?MSNHPHMA

rumor has it Charlie missed the flight because he held onto the plane ticket too long.

[dionysusolympus]

Cleveland has traded former starting quarterback Charlie Frye to the Seattle Seahawks for a sixth-round pick, FOXSports.com has learned.

Frye for a sixth-round pick??? He's not worth that much, if anything at all.

[jazz]

Frye for a sixth-round pick??? He's not worth that much, if anything at all.
well, they can't trade him for a tire iron, dio.

[dionysusolympus]

i would.

[jazz]

could you imagine if they traded one of their cheerleaders for this guy? :lol:

[sneakypete]

this would have been a fair trade:

http://my.execpc.com/~pjsports/STRAWBERRY/STAR21.jpg

[jazz]

^when i used to cheer for the mets :reminisce:

[jazz]

q&a with troy stradford:

South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com
Troy Stradford Q&A
The former Dolphins running back (1987-90), who starred at Boston College before being drafted by the Dolphins, answers your questions.

Sun-Sentinel.com

11:09 AM EDT, September 11, 2007

Q: Can the Dolphins offensive line improve enough this season for the Fins to have an effective running attack? Could you compare them to the O-line from your days on the team? Dave Rivera, MacDill AFB, FL

A: "In leaning on a number of former NFL linemen, I'm being told that it can take anywhere from half a season up to the remaining few games for offensive linemen to come together. There's a lot of trust that has to be built between all of them before you can expect consistency. With the Dolphins having five guys working together for the first time, I don't think any "Player of the Game" awards are coming from guys wearing numbers in the 60's or 70's. To answer your question about comparing the O-Line from when I played to the line on the curret team, my guys were great at one thing - and that was protecting Danny Boy. We had our challenges when trying to run the ball. The reason for that was because we worked on the passing game 85 percent of the time in practice, so the big guys were more in their comfort zone when pass blocking. The identity of this offense has yet to take shape, so it's too early to say if this O-Line will be better pass blockers or run blockers. But one thing is certain, it will not happen overnight."

Q: Hey Troy, one of the first things you did in your rookie year was return a preseason kick for a touchdown. Why do you think Ted Ginn has not shown much in the return game yet? Roscoe, Fort Lauderdale, FL

A: "Roscoe, you will hear the word patience used often -- from coaches, writers and other so-called experts -- when talking about young players coming into the NFL. I also will use the word patience at times because young players have to learn certain techniques, systems and the little nuances of the NFL to become an effective player. However, when it comes to the return game, there is no place for the word patience in my book because 95 percent of it comes down to instincts. There is not a lot of thinking going on or much that you have to learn. It's all instincts. Now, if you put exceptional ability on top of the instincts, you come up with a special player such as Devin Hester. If you have someone who has average ability (solid catching the ball, toughness) to go along with his instincts, you come up with someone like a Wes Welker. That being said, when I look at Ted Ginn, I see a player who has the ability (good hands and speed) but I have yet to this point see him possess the natural instincts of someone who will be special. Ginn is the type of returner who will shine when his blockers execute to near perfection, allowing him to get to top speed quickly so that he can use his number one weapon, his speed. My early opinion is that Ginn will be a solid returner, breaking the big one only when given the perfect blocks. I also feel that he will be more of an effective kickoff returner then a punt returner because he will have more time and space to allow his great speed to become a factor."

Q: Do you think Ronnie Brown is being used right? Between Nick Saban the past couple of years and just by judging from Sunday, I feel that RB isn't being used right. Is he good, a bust or somewhere in between? Michael Hogue, Washington DC

A: "Michael, when you really break things down, there are only a few ways in which you can use running backs. You either hand it to them or throw it to them out of the backfield. I also am mystified as to why we are not seeing more out of Ronnie Brown, after all we are talking about a guy who has the size, strength, instincts and vision. I will cut him somewhat of a break because his offensive line is still a work in progress (However, Ricky Williams did not have a great line and he put up great numbers). But at some point, a running back has to be able to make things happen on his own. I'm not buying the Cam Cameron line that he is still a young running back in terms of the amount of carries that he has had. As a running back, you either have it or you don't, and every time Ronnie plays a game, he confirms in my mind that he's not -- and will not -- become an elite NFL running back."

Q: Hey Troy, sorry for the off-topic question, but is it true that you are married to a Miami Heat dancer? Andrew Reich, Hollywood, FL

A: "I was going to pass on this one but the truth of the matter is, I was but am no longer. I can also say that the marriage did produce the love of my life, my son Austin, who is 11 years old. He's very smart and a hell of an athlete...remember the name."

Q: Is there anyone on the current Dolphins team capable of executing "the move"? Thanks for all the great years! Mark Haney, Estero, FL

A: "Mark...not on this team. Very few are blessed with the ability to make "the move"!!! Thanks for the compliment."

Q: Why does Ronnie Brown always stutter step before he hits the line? Isn't that a waste of precious time? Howie, Ocala, FL

A: "Howie, there are times when someone is in your face immediately and you are forced to stutter or make a quick move, but I often find myself yelling for Ronnie to just hit the hole and hope for the best, too. I have a saying...if you hit the hole hard and often enough, eventually you will come out the other side. As a runner you can help yourself out by just hitting the hole hard during the early part of the game, sending the message to the defense that it's going to be a long day while setting them up for the stutter step later in the game. It's all about setting the defenders up throughout the game. Ronnie, if you are reading, give it a try...hit the hole hard throughout the first half, then give them a change of pace in the second half. Yeah, just call me coach now."

Q: Hey Troy. I've been watching you since you were at BC. What are you up to these days? Ray Veradt, Taunton, MA

A: "I'm glad that you asked that question because it gives me the opportunity to plug my show. Every Saturday before Florida Gator games and Sunday's prior to our broadcast of the NFL game of the week, I do a radio show on 850 (AM) WFTL. On Saturdays I'm joined by former Gator and Tampa Buc Errict Rhett and former Michigan Wolverine and Raven Rod Payne as we take a look at the college games. On Sunday, I'm joined by former 'Cane and Baltimore Raven Leon Searcy and former Dolphin WR James McKnight as we tackle the NFL. In my opinion, it's the Best weekend sports shows in South Florida. It's the GameDay Insiders, It's the Players Club, It's where the Pros talk to the Pros. Hey it's your choice, do you want to get it from those who played or those who wish they played? Give us a call this weekend 877-850-8585."

Q: Do you think we can stop the dropped passes that have plagued us for years? What's the biggest reason for the drops, and how do you stop it? David, Fort Lauderdale, FL

A: "When it comes to catching the football, it's all about concentration. Granted some guys have better hands than others, but if you are one of those guys who has a case of the drops, you have to go back to the basics of spending extra time before and after practice catching passes. Confidence plays a huge part in catching passes as well. So, if you put in the extra time and stay focused during the game you are less likely to put it on the ground. I think too many guys outthink themselves, and because of that, they have drops. Look at how many guys who will make a great catch in traffic or in a split-second situation, and then drop a pass when they are wide open. There's too much time to think about it. The mind can play serious tricks with you if you don't build confidence."

Q: How do you think Cam Cameron did in his first game as Dolphins coach? Steve Freed, Sayreville, NJ

A: "Steve, there are things that I like and things that I didn't like. I love the fact that Cameron went for the TD right before the half. That shows and builds confidence in your team. I did not like the fact that the offense pretty much looked like the Dolphin offense of the past five years, and the offense is Cam's baby. I was waiting for the Cameron express...but there is always next week. In looking at the defense, which starts and stops with Dom Capers. It's hard to be too critical when the only gave up 16 points. However, not much pressure up front and the secondary struggled, but we knew that would be the case back in March."

Troy Stradford can be heard locally on 850 (AM) WFTL Saturday and Sunday afternoons, and on the Web at www.850wftl.com.

Copyright © 2007, South Florida Sun-Sentinel

[MojoFearsSatan]

THE BROWNS SHIP CHARLIE FRYE OFF TO SEATTLE:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7214446?MSNHPHMA

rumor has it Charlie missed the flight because he held onto the plane ticket too long.

ey, Frye wasn't that bad. He'd be a suitable backup. He was just not there as a starter. What the hell else did people expect from a 3rd round pick playing for the Brownies?

[DJSteel]

looks like Wallace might be converted to a WR for a bit and Frye would be the backup...


anyway.. what do you think the punishment should be for cheating??? 3rd and 5th draft pick is good.. but make the penalty more harsh and these antics would stop...

[KenKill75]

What's this about the Pats cheating? I saw the headline on someone's newspaper on the Subway. What did they do? And why would you need to cheat to beat the Jetsth?

[Bruce]

Apparently they were taking pictures or shooting video of the Jets hand signals or something. :shrug:

[KenKill75]

Meh, big deal.

[MAGO]

NFL should give the Jets NE's first and second round picks :owndance:

[dionysusolympus]

the NFL should give the Jets a kick in the ass.

[MAGO]

no.

[KenKill75]

I predict a shattered collar bone for Pennington this season. :orko:

[MAGO]

with no left guard and the tough defenses they're going up against this year, i wouldn't be surprised...

[Da Rafsta]

if they did record signals...they should reveal them to the public and to the rest of the league so that the Pats aren't bashed beyond what they should be bashed cause anyone can interpret the worst from this. Or what can happen as well is that they go under-bashed when they should get some serious heat from everyonce, worried about their rep and that in everyone's mind....they aren't worthy of having those championships, etc, etc...

[DJSteel]

obviously Belichick knew about it.. the question is did Mangini know about it when he worked for the Pats....

[dionysusolympus]

:MAGO4:, steal this signal: :finger2:

[Keith Moon]

Mangini



- Is this a real last name?

[Bruce]

:lookup:

You watch football?

[Keith Moon]

- Yes, I try and pretend to.

[Bruce]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Mangini

[Keith Moon]

- Ok, good. Youz ma's mangini.

[Bruce]

:captslap:

[Da Rafsta]

obviously Belichick knew about it.. the question is did Mangini know about it when he worked for the Pats....
Mangini's going to stay hushed if he did know about it. Hmmm...maybe it's why the Jetsth got so far last season.

[paniro777]

obviously Belichick knew about it.. the question is did Mangini know about it when he worked for the Pats....

the NY media is reporting that when mangini joined the jets, he warned all players and the front office prior to their first matchup against the jets, that they (pats) steal signals and that they should be on the look out for them. This is the first time they caught them.

So seems like mangini did know about this when in new england.

[dionysusolympus]

http://www.encircling.us/photoplog/file_1402.jpg

this is mangini and bellichek today.

[Da Rafsta]

Damn...this article is rough! (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=dw-productsofthesystem091107&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

[MAGO]

the NFL should declare that game a draw! :owndance:

[dionysusolympus]

and still kick the Jets in the ass.

[MAGO]

the NFL should cancel the rest of the season and give the SB to the Jets....it's the only way to save the integrity of the game.....

[dionysusolympus]

the NFL should export the Jets to Africa as their new expansion team. It's the only way to save the integrity of the game.

[Modus Ponens]

Santana better get his head out of his ass and start producing or i'll have to make some changes to my FF team :gaynoes:

They were running bracket coverage on him and Cooley all game. That's why ARE was able to have such a big game. Now that teams can't gameplan strictly for Moss and Cooley things should open up for them. The 2 dropped intermediate passes didn't help matters for Moss.

[MAGO]

also the addition of Reche should help out...what's up with Lloyd??..he's was a decent WR in SF, and now i don't even hear about him anymore...is he still in the league? :what:

[Modus Ponens]

exactly.

and i was surprised that green was so efficient. the wides made him look bad.

It's easy to be that efficient when the only thing left open is the 5-7 yard zone. The Skins defense played mainly 3 Deep Zone coverage all game to prevent the quick score and force you all into sustaining drives which they were confident the Fins couldn't do. That's why you could see our corners giving that 7-12 yard cushion (I hate this technique). I felt like I was watching Brunell out there because of all the short completions. The difference is Green was forced into it by the defense. Brunell is forced into it because he can't throw the ball farther than 15 yards. :eee:

[dionysusolympus]

It's easy to be that efficient when the only thing left open is the 5-7 yard zone. The Skins defense played mainly 3 Deep Zone coverage all game to prevent the quick score and force you all into sustaining drives which they were confident the Fins couldn't do. That's why you could see our corners giving that 7-12 yard cushion (I hate this technique). I felt like I was watching Brunell out there because of all the short completions. The difference is Green was forced into it by the defense. Brunell is forced into it because he can't throw the ball farther than 15 yards. :eee:

Campbell's test will be this Monday. He'll find out if he likes turf to go along with his Gatorade.

[Modus Ponens]

also the addition of Reche should help out...what's up with Lloyd??..he's was a decent WR in SF, and now i don't even hear about him anymore...is he still in the league? :what:

He's gutless. The man has some of the best hands in the NFL but he has zero heart. Pisses me off to see him waste his talents. The 2nd INT that Campbell threw was all on Lloyd. He gave up on his route around the 10 yard line before realizing the ball was coming to him and he had to turn it on. Then he made a half hearted effort to catch the ball. And he's supposed to be a great leaper. Then he made no effort to catch the guy after the INT. I read something in an article where Julian Peterson said that Lloyd had the best hands that he has ever seen but he runs terrible routes and can't get any separation to save his life.

I like Reche but I wish we would have signed someone with some size. Like Gabriel.

[Modus Ponens]

Campbell's test will be this Monday. He'll find out if he likes turf to go along with his Gatorade.

Is Lito still out for the game?

[dionysusolympus]

Is Lito still out for the game?

appears so. haven't heard differently.

[bleuMadonna]

http://www.encircling.us/photoplog/file_1402.jpg

this is mangini and bellichek today.

:lol:

Seriously, though, I doubt the Pats are the only team doing this :bleu: Regardless, it's pretty lame. We are such a win-at-all-costs society. :shame:

[Bruce]

Losing is for losers, Kerri. :dopey:

[bleuMadonna]

:loon:

[MAGO]

He's gutless. The man has some of the best hands in the NFL but he has zero heart. Pisses me off to see him waste his talents. The 2nd INT that Campbell threw was all on Lloyd. He gave up on his route around the 10 yard line before realizing the ball was coming to him and he had to turn it on. Then he made a half hearted effort to catch the ball. And he's supposed to be a great leaper. Then he made no effort to catch the guy after the INT. I read something in an article where Julian Peterson said that Lloyd had the best hands that he has ever seen but he runs terrible routes and can't get any separation to save his life.

I like Reche but I wish we would have signed someone with some size. Like Gabriel.


:shame: ...i really thought he was going to explode when he ended up with the skins....

[dionysusolympus]

stfu.

[DJSteel]

Steelers' Ward: Pats had help in '02 title game
'They were calling our stuff out. They knew a lot of our calls,' receiver says
Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Hines Ward suspects the New England Patriots may have had some type of inside information on his team before at least one of the teams’ two AFC championship game matchups since the 2001 season.

Ward is certain the Patriots, while known for the thoroughness of their scouting under coach Bill Belichick, had some kind of unusual help before their 24-17 upset victory in Pittsburgh in the January 2002 AFC championship game. The Patriots went on to win the first of their three Super Bowls.

“Oh, they knew,” Ward said Wednesday. “They were calling our stuff out. They knew, especially that first championship game here at Heinz Field. They knew a lot of our calls. There’s no question some of their players were calling out some of our stuff.”

NFL security officers confiscated a video camera and tape from Patriots video assistant Matt Estrella while he was working on the New York Jets’ sideline during New England’s 38-14 victory on Sunday. The league has confirmed that it is investigating whether the Patriots were taping the Jets’ defensive coaches as they signaled to players on the field.

On Tuesday, Steelers first-year coach Mike Tomlin, who wasn’t around for those AFC championship games, said “when there’s smoke, there’s fire” of widespread suspicion some NFL teams use spying tactics.

The Patriots also beat the Steelers 41-27 in the January 2005 AFC championship game, though that victory was so convincing it would be difficult to pin it on cheating.

Still, Ward said he is disappointed there are allegations that any NFL team may have resorted to spying to gain an edge.

“You would hope that, during their run, when they were winning all their (three) Super Bowls, all that stuff wasn’t going on,” Ward said. “You look back in the past, and we played them in the championship games, and you kind of wonder. It seemed like they were a step ahead of us at all times, but those games are behind us. There’s nothing we can do about it. You just look forward and see what the commissioner (Roger Goodell) will do.”

Ward said any team caught spying should give up high draft picks.

“It’s really hard to say (they should) forfeit games,” Ward said. “Draft picks would hurt a lot of teams; take away their first or second-round pick — that would be a stiff penalty to make sure nobody does it again.”



lmao..that's crazy

[KenKill75]

http://www.syncgaming.com/UserFiles/Image/SG/Feature%20Pics/GamesAheadMark/mutantbox.jpg

[Bruce]

They try the funny shit during our game, I'm bum-rushing the motherfucking field, yo. I'll rain fire down on those assholes. :bat:

[KenKill75]

:blah:

[Keith Moon]

- Ken, are you a Giants fan? I don't even know who you like.

[KenKill75]

I was always a Giants fan. I don't like Eli, though. I also liked the Dolphins when Marino was there.

[Keith Moon]

- :up:

[KenKill75]

Phil Simms, now he was a class act. Sports is so different now than it was in the 80's and prior. Too many pieces of shit in professional sports these days.

[dionysusolympus]

Phil Simms, now he was a class act. Sports is so different now than it was in the 80's and prior. Too many pieces of shit in professional sports these days.

agreed. too many spoiled brats, but there's some good apples still out there.

[KenKill75]

Yeah, there are still some, but alot fewer and far between than it used to be. Now it's pompous assholes and street thugs.

[dionysusolympus]

:greg2: is a badass street thug.

[KenKill75]

I know. He steals lunch money from 5 year olds.

[Bruce]

Yeah, there are still some, but alot fewer and far between than it used to be. Now it's pompous assholes and street thugs.

You should be a Colts fan, New York minute-rice face.

[KenKill75]

Actually, I do like the Colts.

[Bruce]

:what:

[dionysusolympus]

he meant it in a gay-goatse way. :what:

[Keith Moon]

:greg2: is a badass street thug.

I know. He steals lunch money from 5 year olds.


- Troof bein' spoken hurr and Iz not gonna stop.

[jazz]

I was always a Giants fan. I don't like Eli, though. I also liked the Dolphins when Marino was there.
you don't like the :phins: anymore?

:crying2:

[KenKill75]

No Marino, no likey

[jazz]

the giants will cease being my fave team from the ny area then :pout:

well, i have no choice anyway :sad: the other two are in our division

[KenKill75]

There's malaria in the area. There's fungus among us.

[Pops]

haha! Pops came out from under them rocks! Good stuff!

Yep Raf - I am still around, just busy as I can be and traveling waaaaaaay to much.
I am trying awful hard to get in here more often and now that it is football season I really want to talk some smack with you guys.
Hope you are doing well sir.

FTR - Skins 07 record 1-0---------Panthers 07 record 1-0

Very good weekend for the old man. :winklove:

[jazz]

http://www.encircling.us/go.php?url=http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/

Final ruling
By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff

Here is the final ruling from the NFL:

# Bill Belichick has been fined $500,000 by the NFL. That is the maximum amount under the NFL Constitution and By-Laws for violating league policy last Sunday on the use of equipment to videotape an opposing team’s offensive or defensive signals.

# The Patriots have been fined $250,000 by the NFL.

# The Patriots will give up their first-round pick in 2008 if they make the playoffs. If they don't make the playoffs, they will surrender their second- and third-round picks.

# Belichick will not be suspended.

“This episode represents a calculated and deliberate attempt to avoid longstanding rules designed to encourage fair play and promote honest competition on the playing field,” Commissioner Roger Goodell wrote in a letter to the Patriots.

"I specifically considered whether to impose a suspension on Coach Belichick," Goodell also wrote. "I have determined not to do so, largely because I believe that the discipline I am imposing of a maximum fine and forfeiture of a first-round draft choice, or multiple draft choices, is in fact more significant and long-lasting, and therefore more effective, than a suspension."

[DJSteel]

that's bs...

[Keith Moon]

- I say rematch with all the previous teams the Pat's faced in their Super Bowl's.

[bleuMadonna]

Ike Reese was on the radio, and he was like, all the teams do what they can to get an edge. Unless they are giving me a ring, I don't care what they did.

btw, he said he didn't think the Pats cheated in the Super Bowl with the Iggles.

[DJSteel]

whether they cheated in past is irrelevant at this point.. They should have suspended Belicheck 4 games and took away a 1st,2nd,3rd draft pick.. and forfeit the game against the Jets...

[MAGO]

don't the Pats have two first round picks???

[Da Rafsta]

whether they cheated in past is irrelevant at this point.. They should have suspended Belicheck 4 games and took away a 1st,2nd,3rd draft pick.. and forfeit the game against the Jets...
LMAO @ Commissioner Steel... :lmao:

[Da Rafsta]

don't the Pats have two first round picks???
Yes, MAGO son... :dio2:

[KenKill75]

I say stealing signs should be legal.

[DJSteel]

the problem is that all of these penalties can be re-couped...easily...

[Bruce]

:nelson: Pats.

[Modus Ponens]

Yep Raf - I am still around, just busy as I can be and traveling waaaaaaay to much.
I am trying awful hard to get in here more often and now that it is football season I really want to talk some smack with you guys.
Hope you are doing well sir.

FTR - Skins 07 record 1-0---------Panthers 07 record 1-0

Very good weekend for the old man. :winklove:


Hail to the Redskins!

[jazz]

hey :MAGO:, here's to another year of shitty football :five: :yay:











































































































































































:nanner9:

[jazz]

anyway, i was reading an article on the phins and it linked to this interesting vid:

http://video.foxsports.com/video/porter.wmv

[Da Rafsta]

Yep Raf - I am still around, just busy as I can be and traveling waaaaaaay to much.
I am trying awful hard to get in here more often and now that it is football season I really want to talk some smack with you guys.
Hope you are doing well sir.

FTR - Skins 07 record 1-0---------Panthers 07 record 1-0

Very good weekend for the old man. :winklove:

Good to see you around old timer...real good but I just know this wasn't a good weekend for you.


Texans Vs. Panthers 2-0 record. The Panthers have yet to taste victory against my boys. T'is good...real good!


:wink:

[Pun'KinG']

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/ucfburnsy/Fins1.jpg

:what:

[sneakypete]

congrats raf, best season start in franchise history!

[Da Rafsta]

congrats raf, best season start in franchise history!
Thanks man....it feels good, been a long time since I've had this type of entertainment....my football team looking nice. They look really balanced and look like a legit NFL team, an extremely competitive one at that. Domination was the name of the game. The Texans have played the Panthers twice so far in their existence since 2002 and both wins have gone to the Texans. It was four years ago since we'd played them and won our last meeting. I know Pops doesn't like that stat. :yay:

They've been playing lights out and I hope they keep it up.

[DJSteel]

we'll see how serious they are when they play the Colts...

[dionysusolympus]

how about :punking:'s Cleveland Browns beating the Bengals? and Tampa Bay over the Saints!?

wow.

[Bruce]

The defense was awesome in that Cincy-Cleveland game.

[Da Rafsta]

we'll see how serious they are when they play the Colts...
yup...definitely looking forward to that.


You might not find it interesting but I do. Since last season, counting back from the last 15 regular season games....the Texans are 8-7. Since last season....they've won 4 straight regular season games, Colts included. :jig2:

[sneakypete]

i thought vince young was going to bring it across the line! scary!

[Da Rafsta]

i thought vince young was going to bring it across the line! scary!
yeah....boy's scary with them legs.

[sneakypete]

i know, he is like a gazelle

[MAGO]

hey :MAGO:, here's to another year of shitty football :five: :yay:





:nanner9:


:shame: ...well one of our teams should win next week :what:

[DJSteel]

I'm sorry.. I was never sold on Ronnie Brown or Cadillac Williams... funny thing is none of the RBs that were drafted so high that year have really stepped up.. Cedric Benson, Ronnie Brown, or Cadillac Williams...

[Bruce]

i thought vince young was going to bring it across the line! scary!

We probably should have lost that game.

Why we didn't call our last time out with 11 seconds left in the first half and get set up on the line properly is beyond me.

[dionysusolympus]

I'm sorry.. I was never sold on Ronnie Brown or Cadillac Williams... funny thing is none of the RBs that were drafted so high that year have really stepped up.. Cedric Benson, Ronnie Brown, or Cadillac Williams...

agreed entirely. but look on the bright side, they aren't playing quite as bad as LT at 2.2 yds/carry.

[paniro777]

I'm sorry.. I was never sold on Ronnie Brown or Cadillac Williams... funny thing is none of the RBs that were drafted so high that year have really stepped up.. Cedric Benson, Ronnie Brown, or Cadillac Williams...

hey, benson got his 100+yds yesterday. He's only started like 4 games now, hasn't really had the opportunity that brown and cadillac have had yet.

We really should have never drafted a RB in that spot that year.

[DJSteel]

hey, benson got his 100+yds yesterday. He's only started like 4 games now, hasn't really had the opportunity that brown and cadillac have had yet.

We really should have never drafted a RB in that spot that year.

i agreed with you at the time..do you think he can carry the entire season???I don't see much of him in Pgh...so I can't tell...Brown was benched and Cadillac had one good season...

[dionysusolympus]

(just to toot my own horn for a l'il bit...)

What did I say about Norv Turner and that the Chargers will underperform this season? :doom:

[MAGO]

:diowned: ?

[paniro777]

well i don't get to see much of him either. But he did good yesterday. Hard to judge off last year when he was coming off the bench gettin about 10 carries at the most. Based on his track record (college), he should absolutely be able to carry the load. But only time will tell.

[DJSteel]

Norv Turner continually gets Head Coaching Jobs and sucks at it.. it's no surprise...

[MAGO]

Benson won't be successful until the Bears have a consistent QB...

[MAGO]

and the Jet O-Line SUCKS!!

[dionysusolympus]

Norv Turner continually gets Head Coaching Jobs and sucks at it.. it's no surprise...

:werd:

[paniro777]

Benson won't be successful until the Bears have a consistent QB...

our running game has pretty much always been sucessful, regardless of the QB play. Thomas Jones has played great the past 2 years with us, with a rookie (orton) and with grossman, both playing their first years as starters.

Now Thomas Jones won't do much until you guys get a Oline that can block.

[dionysusolympus]

and the Jets SUCK!!

can't agree more, :MAGO4:.

[bleuMadonna]

Norv Turner continually gets Head Coaching Jobs and sucks at it.. it's no surprise...

QFT

[Modus Ponens]

http://i16.tinypic.com/6gj6lp4.gif

[Keith Moon]

- The football should be a KFC bucket.

[Da Rafsta]

http://i16.tinypic.com/6gj6lp4.gif


:lol:

[Bruce]

- The football should be a KFC bucket.

It should be shackles.

[Keith Moon]

- :clap2:

[jazz]

http://i16.tinypic.com/6gj6lp4.gif
the first time i saw him do that, i thought he was pretending to "reel in" a dolphin, but then they said it was meant as a shot for the pats. lol

[Da Rafsta]

the first time i saw him do that, i thought he was pretending to "reel in" a dolphin, but then they said it was meant as a shot for the pats. lol
yeah, that's what makes it hilarious!!

[jazz]

I'm sorry.. I was never sold on Ronnie Brown or Cadillac Williams... funny thing is none of the RBs that were drafted so high that year have really stepped up.. Cedric Benson, Ronnie Brown, or Cadillac Williams...
actually, i think ronnie brown is a decent back. he's just had the bad luck of being on a team with an o-line like swiss cheese...shit, you put LT on the dolphins right now, he won't be doing better than ronnie. the sad part is that ronnie's picking up bad habits because of this. :shame:

case in point, look at the back we sent to the pats (sammy morris)...he did average to below average on our team, but last night ne's o-line made him look a little like LT.

[jazz]

:shame: ...well one of our teams should win next week :what:
i say your jets will pull off the win. i have absolutely no faith in the lolphins and it's apparent that we're officially in rebuilding mode...with the guise of a team that's ready to compete.

plus, the jets always do well in their own stadium.

battle of the shitty o-lines! :pirate2:

[Modus Ponens]

and the Jet O-Line SUCKS!!

Thanks again for Kendall. :eee:

[jazz]

i live in kendall :what:

[jazz]

Billick: Jets 'illegally' simulated snap count on Sunday (http://www.encircling.us/go.php?url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80272abd&template=with-video&confirm=true)

i wonder how many of these stories will start surfacing around the nfl.

[DJSteel]

lmao..every defense does that...even Baltimore's

[MojoFearsSatan]

actually, i think ronnie brown is a decent back. he's just had the bad luck of being on a team with an o-line like swiss cheese...shit, you put LT on the dolphins right now, he won't be doing better than ronnie. the sad part is that ronnie's picking up bad habits because of this. :shame:

case in point, look at the back we sent to the pats (sammy morris)...he did average to below average on our team, but last night ne's o-line made him look a little like LT.

LT's only averaging 2.2 yards a carry behind SD's O-line, I think he'd probably be in the negatives behind yours.

[MAGO]

i say your jets will pull off the win. i have absolutely no faith in the lolphins and it's apparent that we're officially in rebuilding mode...with the guise of a team that's ready to compete.

plus, the jets always do well in their own stadium.

battle of the shitty o-lines! :pirate2:


we'll see....it should be a fun game to watch :what:

















:suicide2:




Thanks again for Kendall. :eee:



:sad2: ...send him back.....PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dionysusolympus]

the only thing i can say is that boise state (and appalachian state) started the rise of the underdogs in the nfl and college ball.

that is all.

[jazz]

LT's only averaging 2.2 yards a carry behind SD's O-line, I think he'd probably be in the negatives behind yours.
not talking about this season...ronnie's had this shitty line ever since he arrived in the nfl (3 years now).

[dionysusolympus]

LT's only averaging 2.2 yards a carry behind SD's O-line, I think he'd probably be in the negatives behind yours.

minor correction.

actually, they've got it at 1.9. Still he's the worst-rated yac running back right now.

[Modus Ponens]

Fan reaction to Eagles/Skins game.

http://misterirrelevant.com/index.php/2007/09/18/skins-win-f-you-kevin-fing-curtis/

[DJSteel]

Eagles fans are so unrealistic... morons..

[jazz]

Fan reaction to Eagles/Skins game.

http://misterirrelevant.com/index.php/2007/09/18/skins-win-f-you-kevin-fing-curtis/

i bet that's how we all look/sound while watching our teams play. i do my fair share of yelling and cursing at the tv. :lol:

[Keith Moon]

- :what:

[DJSteel]

I do as well... but.. have you watched an Eagles game with around 5-10 eagles fans??

[dionysusolympus]

Eagles fans are so unrealistic... morons..

stfu, steel-for-brains-face. :diomago:

[DJSteel]

stfu, steel-for-brains-face. :diomago:

lol..not every Eagles fan... just the more vocal idiots..

[Da Rafsta]

don't cut them any slack......All of them!

[DJSteel]

don't cut them any slack......All of them!

lmao.. at least Eagles fans don't cheer for an interdivisional rival when their team is out of the playoff hunt like you goofy ass Texans...

[MAGO]

us Jet fans watch the game while enjoying a cup of tea :what:

[Da Rafsta]

lmao.. at least Eagles fans don't cheer for an interdivisional rival when their team is out of the playoff hunt like you goofy ass Texans...

That's cause there's no rivalry yet. Once we start to make a threat.......maybe then a rivalry can begin. There's no history in the AFC South. No playoff battles, no playoff implicated battles, no race for divisional lead.......none by a long shot. But...there's no use for me to keep explaining that year after year to you. It won't be until 15 years from now that you'll finally understand. :badmago: