The Official NFL Thread..

[dionysusolympus]

The Jets acquired a good RB in Jones. I am interested in seeing where Briggs wants to go. I would love to see him with the Iggles, but that's wishful thinking on my part.

[MAGO]

move him inside like the Steelers did Farrior...


we'll see where they put him, they're still trying to sign some LB that played last season with the Pats, he supposed to be a good fit in the 3-4

[MAGO]

Kerney signed with the Seahawks and Lelie signed with the Niners...

[DJSteel]

Brad Johnson is a cowboy...
Wes Welker is a patriot..
Brian Simmons is a Saint

[MAGO]

we need a roster update :what:

[dionysusolympus]

here's a roster update: :diomago:

[MAGO]

:dio2:

[Modus Ponens]

move him inside like the Steelers did Farrior...

Vilma is kind of on the small side for your typical 3-4 ILB. Those guys are usually +255 lbs. The Jets would need a massive space eater on the DL to compensate for it. It's the same reason Ray Lewis looked mortal 2 years ago. Then they go and draft Ngata and he's back to being an All-World LB.

[DJSteel]

Farrior is 243, Larry Foote is 239...in a 3-4 defense, lbs can be a bit smaller

[MAGO]

damn!..the niners signed the lb i wanted from the pats!!

[dionysusolympus]

damn!..the niners signed the lb i wanted from the pats!!

:dio:^1000

[MAGO]

:nanner9:

[MAGO]

Jones/Jets deal is official :nanner24: !!

[bleuMadonna]

The Pats have been busy...The Eagles have done nothing.

[MAGO]

the only move the Pats did that scares me is Thomas(LB)....Miami will now be a lot more tougher on D with the addition of Porter :ohnoes:

[bleuMadonna]

Yeah, I was happy about Thomas :smile: The latest is they had Donte Stallworth in for a visit. Dunno what to think about that. He's in the "substance abuse" program, but no one really knows what substance he was abusing.

[MAGO]

well i think his next "strike" will lead to a suspension, so he may be risky...

[Keith Moon]

- Julius Jones?

[MAGO]

Thomas Jones

[Keith Moon]

- Should have been Casey Jones.

[bleuMadonna]

well i think his next "strike" will lead to a suspension, so he may be risky...

True, but the Pats have turned around a few players in their day, like Dillon, for instance. It could happen.

[MojoFearsSatan]

Pacman Jones. Although of course he's not a free agent, nor would any team wish to really put up with his legal shit...

Like they said at the draft last year, let's just guess that Tennessee didn't decide to room Pacman and LenDale White together.

[MAGO]

:lol: ...

[MAGO]

True, but the Pats have turned around a few players in their day, like Dillon, for instance. It could happen.


he's a pretty dangerous receiver, so i'd take a chance on him...

[Modus Ponens]

Farrior is 243, Larry Foote is 239...in a 3-4 defense, lbs can be a bit smaller


Like I said. You need a massive space eater to make them viable in the 3-4 base defense. Casey Hampton fits the mold at NT. They also have big DE's rather than tweeners. Otherwise you would see their LB's get swallowed up by the guards.

[Modus Ponens]

Thomas Jones

Steroid freak.

[jazz]

i wasn't paying attention to dolphins news, but last night i found out we traded for that piece of shit joey porter and traded my favorite player (welker) to new england?!?!?!?!?!?!


WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

:yell:

[dionysusolympus]

i wasn't paying attention to dolphins news, but last night i found out we traded for that piece of shit joey porter and traded my favorite player (welker) to new england?!?!?!?!?!?!


WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

:yell:


and the Lolphins still don't have a QB that's less gay than Pennington.

and the Pats have made some sound moves during free agency.

[jazz]

i'm buying a nuke off of ebay and i'm having it dropped over this city. enough already with the sports teams.

maybe i'll spare the heat. maybe.

[Modus Ponens]

i wasn't paying attention to dolphins news, but last night i found out we traded for that piece of shit joey porter and traded my favorite player (welker) to new england?!?!?!?!?!?!


WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

:yell:

FA era NFL is a bitch. I felt the same way last year when we let LaVar go.

[bleuMadonna]

Me, too, when the Pats lost Branch. :frown:

[jazz]

FA era NFL is a bitch. I felt the same way last year when we let LaVar go.
don't get me wrong though...i know porter's a great player, but i never liked his attitude. a little too full of himself for my taste.

*sigh* whatever. :sarcasm:

[jazz]

i am glad we're trying to get rid of mare, and we got rid of harrington and mcmichael, but goddamn...welker was the man here.

[MAGO]

:dio:

[jazz]

:nelson: :magodio2:

[MAGO]

:shame:

[jazz]

:teehee:

[MAGO]

talk to :thehand:

[jazz]

talk to :thehand:
nah, i'm not in the mood for a tugjob now. thanks though. :what:

[MAGO]

:shrug:

[jazz]

i'll take one on friday as soon as you get off your flight.

:nanner15:

[dionysusolympus]

the only move the Pats did that scares me is Thomas(LB)....Miami will now be a lot more tougher on D with the addition of Porter :ohnoes:

Porter is overrated, like Culpepper.

Yeah, I was happy about Thomas :smile: The latest is they had Donte Stallworth in for a visit. Dunno what to think about that. He's in the "substance abuse" program, but no one really knows what substance he was abusing.

substance = Jeri Curl...really... :what:

[MAGO]

i'll take one on friday as soon as you get off your flight.

:nanner15:

no can do...friday i get my wisdom teeth removed...this weekend is going to suck!

[jazz]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-spdolphins07mar07,0,1904457.story?coll=sfla-dolphins-front

Porter is only the second player in NFL history other than Clay Matthews (69.5 sacks and 16 interceptions from 1978-96) to have at least 60 sacks and 10 picks.

But Porter, who is known as one of the NFL's biggest trash-talkers, seemed to suffer from post-Super Bowl syndrome as his numbers dropped in 2006 as did the 8-8 Steelers.

In 14 games, Porter posted 55 tackles -- his lowest total since his rookie season in 1999 -- with seven sacks and two interceptions. Two of those sacks and a game-clinching interception came against the Dolphins in Pittsburgh's season-opening 28-17 victory.

The Steelers said releasing Porter was strictly a salary-cap decision as he was due a $1 million roster bonus Tuesday and $4 million base salary in 2007.

Porter was involved in some controversial incidents both on and off the field in 2006. In September, Porter was fined after his dogs killed a neighbor's miniature pony. Porter was fined $15,000 by the NFL for allegedly threatening an official during an Oct. 29 loss to the Raiders. Two months later, he was fined another $10,000 by the league for calling Browns tight end Kellen Winslow a derogatory name for a homosexual during a post-game interview.

"I love to be around passionate people. He's a passionate player," former Steelers coach Bill Cowher once said of Porter. "Sometimes, does it get him in trouble? Probably.

lol

[jazz]

no can do...friday i get my wisdom teeth removed...this weekend is going to suck!
well, i look at it this way:

the less teeth the better :bite:

[MAGO]

Porter is still a great addition to that D, although they're getting pretty old, Taylor and Thomas should put up big #'s with that addition..

[dionysusolympus]

Porter is still a great addition to that D, although they're getting pretty old, Taylor and Thomas should put up big #'s with that addition..

i think you're high...and gay.

[bleuMadonna]

substance = Jeri Curl...really... :what:

Lol

[jazz]

Porter is still a great addition to that D, although they're getting pretty old, Taylor and Thomas should put up big #'s with that addition..
it definitely takes the pressure off of them. we still need to upgrade the secondary.

and how many times am i gonna say this? they need to upgrade the OFFENSIVE LINE!!!!

[DJSteel]

Porter is NOT a DE... he is a better cover guy than three point stance rusher... though they could move him around like they do Taylor.. but he'll fail on the DL..

[jazz]

though they could move him around like they do Taylor..
that's what i was hoping they would use him for. like an extra jason taylor.

[Modus Ponens]

it definitely takes the pressure off of them. we still need to upgrade the secondary.

and how many times am i gonna say this? they need to upgrade the OFFENSIVE LINE!!!!

Who's your starter opposite of Will Allen? Will Allen starting is enough to make anyone cringe. He's atrocious in man coverage. I hated seeing the Giants let him go because I knew with him in their secondary that Moss would have big games against them.

I still think your biggest needs are youth on defense and a couple of upgrades on the OL. A stud WR would go a long ways towards helping Culpepper and Brown out as well forcing defenses to respect the deep ball.

[Modus Ponens]

Porter is NOT a DE... he is a better cover guy than three point stance rusher... though they could move him around like they do Taylor.. but he'll fail on the DL..

I agree somewhat. Lining him up as a DL would just invite people to run all over them. They already have 2 undersized DE's in Taylor and Roth. Having him line up as a down linemen in a 4-3 Over would prevent Porter from doing the things that he is good at and would be suicide for the D. Like you said, he's better in coverage.

[jazz]

Who's your starter opposite of Will Allen? Will Allen starting is enough to make anyone cringe. He's atrocious in man coverage. I hated seeing the Giants let him go because I knew with him in their secondary that Moss would have big games against them.

I still think your biggest needs are youth on defense and a couple of upgrades on the OL. A stud WR would go a long ways towards helping Culpepper and Brown out as well forcing defenses to respect the deep ball.
yeah, i've been saying that they needed to overhaul the secondary and ol for years now, but nick saban was smoking crack or something because nothing was ever done. hopefully the new coach will get the ball rolling and actually accomplish something in those departments.

and we still have to worry about the qb position...i don't think daunte's the answer.

:sigh:

[DJSteel]

believe me the Steelers tried with him and Bell and neither worked..

[Modus Ponens]

yeah, i've been saying that they needed to overhaul the secondary and ol for years now, but nick saban was smoking crack or something because nothing was ever done. hopefully the new coach will get the ball rolling and actually accomplish something in those departments.

and we still have to worry about the qb position...i don't think daunte's the answer.

:sigh:

I still think you all would have been better off trading Taylor and keeping Ogunleye.

[jazz]

I still think you all would have been better off trading Taylor and keeping Ogunleye.
hmm, change that from taylor to thomas and you got yourself a deal.

and i love thomas, but i think taylor has more years left.

[DJSteel]

it's hard to say about Culpepper, normally it takes a year for a ACL, I'm not sure about ACL, MCL, and whatever else he tore...but I don't think he was completely healthy...I'd like to give him another chance.. much like Ben wasn't 100 percent from the appendectomy and motorcycle accident...

[jazz]

well, i was speaking more of his mental ability, but yeah, his injury(ies) have me second-guessing him in that regard too.

[DJSteel]

give him about 3-4 games this season.. if he doesn't do the job then you panic...

[dionysusolympus]

give him about 3-4 games this season.. if he doesn't do the job then you panic...

agreed...somewhat. however, i think you're being a bit too optimistic.

[jazz]

give him about 3-4 games this season.. if he doesn't do the job then you panic...
the only way i give him a chance to prove himself is with a new o-line. if we keep the same guys, i say it's better to ship him off. he'll only wind up getting injured again.

harrington managed to stay alive because he was pretty mobile..too bad he was pretty mediocre as well. not bad for a backup though.

[MojoFearsSatan]

even post-injury Culpepper is still pretty mobile. OK, so he's no Michael Vick, but he's not Kerry Collins in the pocket by any means. Harrington's future has to lie as a backup, but with him released, if Culpepper isn't fit, doesn't that mean that Cleo Lemon is back in? If so, then I'd find that panic button.

[jazz]

even post-injury Culpepper is still pretty mobile. OK, so he's no Michael Vick, but he's not Kerry Collins in the pocket by any means. Harrington's future has to lie as a backup, but with him released, if Culpepper isn't fit, doesn't that mean that Cleo Lemon is back in? If so, then I'd find that panic button.
i like cleo, but yeah...he's definitely not backup material. at least not at this time.

[jazz]

HYDE: Dolphins moves look good so far (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-hyde08mar07,0,2652859.column?coll=sfla-dolphins-front)

keyphrase: so far

[dionysusolympus]

Browns sign former 2,000-yard rusher Lewis (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10045847)

I don't see how this helps. I think we'll just see Reuben Droughns II.

[MAGO]

:word: ...that must've been the only team intersted in signing him...

[Da Rafsta]

Well....the Texans have been doing as they have their entire existence.....having another crappy FA and looking to trade for more lackluster players.

I'm really looking forward to this upcoming season. :sarcasm:

[DJSteel]

Ahman Green is not a bad pick up especially since you don't have a real starter out there right now... better than Jamal Lewis.. he is pretty much done

[dionysusolympus]

Well....the Texans have been doing as they have their entire existence.....having another crappy FA and looking to trade for more lackluster players.

I'm really looking forward to this upcoming season. :sarcasm:

they can always look forward to Jacksonville. Except they can't play them 16 times.

[Da Rafsta]

Ahman Green is not a bad pick up especially since you don't have a real starter out there right now... better than Jamal Lewis.. he is pretty much done

The Cleveland Browns made Jamal Lewis....LOL

[DJSteel]

The Cleveland Browns made Jamal Lewis....LOL

exactly! He owns the team that just picked him up...big whoop... Droughns is better.. that OL was horrible

[MAGO]

Well....the Texans have been doing as they have their entire existence.....having another crappy FA and looking to trade for more lackluster players.

I'm really looking forward to this upcoming season. :sarcasm:

i wish the Jets played the Texans 16 times a year :evil:

[DJSteel]

i wish the Jets played the Texans 16 times a year :evil:

Jeopardy time!!!!

This is the reason why the Indianapolis Colts has made the playoffs consistantly since 2001...



























What is the AFC South?

[MAGO]

can i phone a friend? :eek2:

[Bruce]

:lookup:

[MAGO]

J! E! T! S! JETS! JETS! JETS! :nanner24:

[DJSteel]

:lookup:

your boys division is the weakest in the NFL.. if Jacksonville is the best they have to offer as competition for Indy... :rolleyes2 Indy wouldn't have survived in the West or the North..

[MAGO]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

[MAGO]

he said the Colts SUCK!!!..OOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jazz]

Well....the Texans have been doing as they have their entire existence.....having another crappy FA and looking to trade for more lackluster players.

I'm really looking forward to this upcoming season. :sarcasm:
hey, at least you have a nice logo and team colors. that should be a great selling point for season ticket sales.

:what:

[jazz]

your boys division is the weakest in the NFL.. if Jacksonville is the best they have to offer as competition for Indy... :rolleyes2 Indy wouldn't have survived in the West or the North..
remember guys: peyton's available for kid parties and bar mitzvahs. lol

[Bruce]

We weren't underdogs going into the playoffs either. Sucked we lost in the first round. Really sucked we didn't walk away with a Super Bowl win again. :sad2:



Wait. :uhhh:

[MAGO]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!that comeback was weak son :shame: ....

[Bruce]

Screw you guys. I'm going home. :eric:


Next weekend I'm gonna hump the Lombardi Trophy when it makes its rounds. :finger:

[MAGO]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!now you're talking :five: !!!

[DJSteel]

We weren't underdogs going into the playoffs either. Sucked we lost in the first round. Really sucked we didn't walk away with a Super Bowl win again. :sad2:



Wait. :uhhh:

please..the Colts was EVERYONE"s favorite from day one of the 2003 season on...

[MAGO]

was that the year the Jets beat them in the playoffs 48-0? :ha:

[jazz]

ouch

[DJSteel]

was that the year the Jets beat them in the playoffs 48-0? :ha:

i think.. it's like everyone thinks the Pats were so great.. they just never had any competition for a playoff spot in their division.. they could coast in to the playoffs.. like the Colts for the past 5 years..

[Bruce]

:jerk:

[MAGO]

:penis3:

[DJSteel]

:jerk:


Colts parade...
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e308/DJHads/colts1.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e308/DJHads/colts2.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e308/DJHads/colts3.jpg


Steelers parade...
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e308/DJHads/steelers1.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e308/DJHads/steelers2.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e308/DJHads/steelers3.jpg







:jerk: Colts suck.. so do their fans..lol

[Bruce]

:blah:

[DJSteel]

that's right just be happy to win one...

[dionysusolympus]

Jets Parade.

http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments/jun2006/gks_060624_0251_rainbow_flag_1.jpg
http://ct.pbase.com/v3/21/14321/4/45693375.Dragqueen.jpg
http://www.hierner.info/neilcurtis/press/mediafiles/neil_curtis_regenbogenparade1_icon.jpg

[DJSteel]

wow...

[Bruce]

that's right just be happy to win one...

I am. Hell, they can sell the team for all I care now. :blink:

[MojoFearsSatan]

Can I ask why teams are placed in various divisions? I mean, I understand that the money matches are why the Cowboys are in the NFC East. But why are Indy in the AFC South? They're about as south as Clevland or Pittsburgh...

[Da Rafsta]

Screw that....the Texans are the shiznit!!

WHO'S WITH ME?!?!?!?!?!?!?!


:yell: :beer2:




**crickets chirping**

:shrug3:

[jazz]

Jets Parade.

http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments/jun2006/gks_060624_0251_rainbow_flag_1.jpg
http://ct.pbase.com/v3/21/14321/4/45693375.Dragqueen.jpg
http://www.hierner.info/neilcurtis/press/mediafiles/neil_curtis_regenbogenparade1_icon.jpg
:lol:

[DJSteel]

Can I ask why teams are placed in various divisions? I mean, I understand that the money matches are why the Cowboys are in the NFC East. But why are Indy in the AFC South? They're about as south as Clevland or Pittsburgh...

New England, Buffalo, Miami, and NYJ are older rivals while the Colts were brought in the 1980 to the AFC East so they didn't have the history or the rivalry... Tennessee or Houston was the odd man out of the north along with Expansion Jacksonville because the NFL wanted to keep the Cleveland, Cincy, Pittsburgh rivalry.. and since old Cleveland went to Baltimore..they stayed in the division... Houston was expansion team and the south needed the extra team..

[DJSteel]

McGahee is a Raven, Bills get a 3rd, 7th this year, and 3rd next year...

[MAGO]

Jets Parade.

http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments/jun2006/gks_060624_0251_rainbow_flag_1.jpg
http://ct.pbase.com/v3/21/14321/4/45693375.Dragqueen.jpg
http://www.hierner.info/neilcurtis/press/mediafiles/neil_curtis_regenbogenparade1_icon.jpg


:rolleyes2

[breastnorton]

Can I ask why teams are placed in various divisions? I mean, I understand that the money matches are why the Cowboys are in the NFC East. But why are Indy in the AFC South? They're about as south as Clevland or Pittsburgh...
there is no real reasoning other than open spots when teams moved cities and lack of any real ability to organize a system that makes sense

the rams are in the nfc west, if that makes any sense

[Pops]

Forgive me if this has already been posted but Ill be damned if I am gonna read 80+ pages.

Fletcher to Skins ..... http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=25101

[DJSteel]

there is no real reasoning other than open spots when teams moved cities and lack of any real ability to organize a system that makes sense

the rams are in the nfc west, if that makes any sense


but they were the LA Rams..which was in the west... and the moved the Cardinals to the west and they were initially in the east..

[jazz]

McGahee is a Raven, Bills get a 3rd, 7th this year, and 3rd next year...
thank god we got mcgahee out of the afc east. that bastard. :hmm:

[DJSteel]

Steelers are looking at DE Anthony Spencer for their first round draft pick.. looks like they are planning on going to a 4-3 here soon.. the guy is undersized for a 3-4... although he could slim down to make a decent OLB..

also a note, they might try to trade down with the Giants to get this guy

[dionysusolympus]

McGahee should be better than Lewis for the Bills but not three draft picks worth though. And Joe Horn and the Falcs will be interesting -- all dependent on Vick's performance or lack thereof.

[Modus Ponens]

Texans are talking trade with the Skins. They want to move up should Quinn fall to #6 and the word is there is a deal already in place with the Skins to swap first rounders and give us their 2nd rounder. I would love for this to work out. That would give us the chance to still draft the guy we wanted at #6 (Branch or Anderson) and pick up a LB or DB in round 2. :fingerscrossed:

[DJSteel]

Texans are stupid.. they should try and build the line first before grabbing another qb.. they've should have learned that lesson with Carr.. it doesn't matter what QB is back there..without a line he is toast...

[Modus Ponens]

Texans are stupid.. they should try and build the line first before grabbing another qb.. they've should have learned that lesson with Carr.. it doesn't matter what QB is back there..without a line he is toast...

I put more of it on Carr than the OL. Carr is exactly like Patrick Ramsey was for us. He holds onto the ball trying to make plays with his arm rather than getting rid of it and ends up taking the sack. He has awful pocket presence.

[DJSteel]

I put more of it on Carr than the OL. Carr is exactly like Patrick Ramsey was for us. He holds onto the ball trying to make plays with his arm rather than getting rid of it and ends up taking the sack. He has awful pocket presence.

i think it's both..the lack of OL gives Carr less time than a normal qb to find open receivers... he runs around trying to make plays because hi knows he has no line.. and he makes big mistakes.. give him a line for christ sakes and maybe he'll develop..

[Da Rafsta]

Until Carr's gone indefinitely....we won't know.

[Keith Moon]

- Rams in 2087.

[MAGO]

Stallworth to the Pats...

[dionysusolympus]

Stallworth to the Pats...

now Brady has some receivers....dangerosity.

[MAGO]

:ohnoes:

[dionysusolympus]

more like :gaynoes:.

[MAGO]

no.

[Modus Ponens]

Stallworth to the Pats...

That hammy is going to snap like a rubber band up there in that cold weather.

[MAGO]

i wiilly hope so :pray: ..lol

[DJSteel]

Bellicheck will drive Dante back on to drugs..

[dionysusolympus]

Bellicheck will drive Dante back on to drugs..

on that note, let's cheer on Rex Grossman!!! :dio2: :dio2: :dio2:

[bleuMadonna]

That hammy is going to snap like a rubber band up there in that cold weather.

Yeah, he had the hammy prob in Philly and it's not as cold here.

[MAGO]

Briggs: 'I've played my last snap' for Bears (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17470850/)

MSNBC News Services
Updated: 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
LAKE FOREST, Ill. - Pro Bowl linebacker Lance Briggs repeated Monday that he refuses to play any longer for the Chicago Bears, Fox reported.

"I am now prepared to sit out the year if the Bears don't trade me or release me," Briggs told Fox. "I've played my last snap for them. I'll never play another down for Chicago again.

"People think I can't afford to sit out the year -- I can take out loans to get me through that year just fine because eventually I'll have a deal somewhere," Briggs added. "There are things I can do to make sure I'm fine financially if I sit out. I can also decide what other course of action I can take as the season gets closer. The Bears have shown I'm not in their long-term plans so if that's the case, I don't want to be here."

Earlier, Briggs said he wanted out of Chicago, saying the Bears should remove his franchise player tag or trade him.

But general manager Jerry Angelo said the Bears are expecting him to play with them this season, with a one-year, $7.2 million deal, the average of the top five salaries at his position.

“We have his rights, so he’s on our football team,” Angelo said Tuesday during a conference call to discuss the trade of leading rusher Thomas Jones to the New York Jets.

“We feel that we’re treating him very good. That’s a lot of money he’s making on a one year-deal. The strain really comes to us in terms of our cap and what we have to do for a one-year deal.”

Angelo said he had no calls about Briggs from other teams.

“Most of the times when you franchise a player they don’t get traded,” Angelo said. “We will always listen to anything that we feel will be in our best interest. But when we did this, it was with the intent for him to be a Bear this year.”

Briggs and the team could not come to agreement on a contract extension last spring — reports says he turned down a six-year, $33 million deal.

Briggs said that money isn't the only issue involved. He wants to be considered the Bears' leader, not teammate Brian Urlacher.

"I've talked to Brian about it," Briggs told Fox. "I'm a competitor and I want the same thing he has. I've learned a lot from Brian as a player and a leader and I eventually want to be 'the man' somewhere. I want to be like him and have everything put on me too. Obviously I'll never be able to do that there.

"Still, had the Bears made me a long-term offer that I found acceptable, I probably would have sacrificed this desire and stayed. I don't want to be somewhere I'm not wanted long-term."

Briggs has made his unhappiness known in a couple of interviews, one with ESPN.com and another with a Chicago radio station in which said “I’ll do everything that’s within my power to not be with this organization.”

“What it really comes down to it’s not about the money. It’s about you’ve played long enough and you think you’ve earned a certain position on the team that you would be here for a long time.”

Briggs said the Bears have no intention now of working out a long-term deal to keep him.

“We did go to Lance in the spring to try to do a long-term deal. So that was our intent as it has been with other players that we had under contract before their contracts expired,” Angelo said.

“We gave it what we feel are our very best efforts. We thought we put a very good deal on the table. And we also told them that the option of the franchise tag was there and they decided to pass the deal up and play it out. We certainly have to respect that. And we also told them that we were going to move on.”

Briggs, who’s been selected to two Pro Bowls, just completed his fourth season with the Bears and was a third-round draft choice out of Arizona in 2003.

Briggs made $721,600 last season when he led the Bears with 117 solo tackles.

[dionysusolympus]

i am still curious as to where briggs wants to go.

[DJSteel]

i am still curious as to where briggs wants to go.

I've been hearing he wants to go closer to home... out west somewhere.. he wants to be a defensive leader...which to me means SF, STL or Arizona..

[dionysusolympus]

I've been hearing he wants to go closer to home... out west somewhere.. he wants to be a defensive leader...which to me means SF, STL or Arizona..

Those three teams could definitely benefit from his skillz.

[Keith Moon]

- Who won?

[Da Rafsta]

Man...if that's how Brian Urlacher rubs off on others....we need more Urlachers in the league then.

[Buddy Knox]

He's really leaving because he doesn't wanna get beat by those Colts again.

[jazz]

urlolcher

[paniro777]

i am still curious as to where briggs wants to go.

as a long time bear fan, I say trade Briggs for as high of a first round draft pick they can get, and call it a night.

[Da Rafsta]

He's really leaving because he doesn't wanna get beat by those Colts again.
:MAGO3:

Colts better be happy Ron Dayne wasn't running for the Bears cause otherwise, things might have ended up a little different. :nelson:

[MAGO]

as a long time bear fan, I say trade Briggs for as high of a first round draft pick they can get, and call it a night.

he got a 7 million dollar raise :what: , he should just shut up and play....then see what can be worked out next season...all this makes him look really bad imo..

[DJSteel]

nah.. The Bears just tried to shit on Smith but Lovie had the chips... the shit out Rivera.. I think he is done with the management.. he even said so...

[jazz]

oh yeah, and...

http://www.encircling.us/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_mahrecievaz.jpg

[dionysusolympus]

he got a 7 million dollar raise :what: , he should just shut up and play....then see what can be worked out next season...all this makes him look really bad imo..

that's bad as in good, right? :what:

[jazz]

http://www.encircling.us/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/thatthar.jpg

[paniro777]

he got a 7 million dollar raise :what: , he should just shut up and play....then see what can be worked out next season...all this makes him look really bad imo..

I hear you, and i wish he did take that approach. But he didn't, so at this point, might as well trade him, they were talkin to buffalo for their 1st round pick which is like 13th overall I believe.


Bears management are notoriously cheap.

[dionysusolympus]

I hear you, and i wish he did take that approach. But he didn't, so at this point, might as well trade him, they were talkin to buffalo for their 1st round pick which is like 13th overall I believe.


Bears management are notoriously cheap.

http://www.best-funny-pictures.com/artworks/best-funny-pictures_the-sesame-street-gone-bad.jpg

[MAGO]

I hear you, and i wish he did take that approach. But he didn't, so at this point, might as well trade him, they were talkin to buffalo for their 1st round pick which is like 13th overall I believe.


Bears management are notoriously cheap.


that will probably work, especially since they(Bills) got those extra picks for McGahee...

[jazz]

bye mcgayheeee

:magohi:

[MAGO]

fo wiill..he averaged almost 160 yards a game against the Jets...so glad to see him out of our division, i wish they would've sent him to the NFC though...

[Buddy Knox]

:MAGO3:

Colts better be happy Ron Dayne wasn't running for the Bears cause otherwise, things might have ended up a little different. :nelson:
don't ever talk about the super bowl champs in such a manner. fatass dane had the game of his life, but in the end he and the rest of the texans were still pieces of shit.

[MAGO]

OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!NOHEDIDNTUH-UH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jazz]

OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!NOHEDIDNTUH-UH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we have a "smilie" for that now. :badmago:

:noudidnt:

[Da Rafsta]

we have a "smilie" for that now. :badmago:

:noudidnt:


Yo, that shit is genius! lmfao!

[Modus Ponens]

he got a 7 million dollar raise :what: , he should just shut up and play....then see what can be worked out next season...all this makes him look really bad imo..

No player wants to be hit with the franchise tag. Rightfully so. The Bears should have extended his contract a year ago if they had any intentions of keeping him.

[Da Rafsta]

No player wants to be hit with the franchise tag. Rightfully so. The Bears should have extended his contract a year ago if they had any intentions of keeping him.
You make a great point. Hell...now, things would still have been iffy if he were offered a high dollar figured extension cause now it's not only the money he wants, but the position...the honor that comes with being the "main man" in the defense. He doesn't want anyone else basking in glory for the efforts he made, as he claims Urlacher does now. They should have given him that extension LAST YEAR and none of this would be going on.

[MAGO]

we have a "smilie" for that now. :badmago:

:noudidnt:

:dopey:

[MAGO]

No player wants to be hit with the franchise tag. Rightfully so. The Bears should have extended his contract a year ago if they had any intentions of keeping him.


i agree and the Bears offered him a 33 million dollar contract which he turned down, so there was an attempt to re-sign him before last season....not sure what type of deal he's looking for :shrug:

[Da Rafsta]

what type of deal he's looking for :shrug:
...now. He wants the spotlight Urlacher gets aside from the money. He can't get that honor there at Chicago while Urlacher's there. Only way to would be to go to another team, which is precisely what he's looking at doing.

[paniro777]

i agree and the Bears offered him a 33 million dollar contract which he turned down, so there was an attempt to re-sign him before last season....not sure what type of deal he's looking for :shrug:

exactly what i was gonna say. He was offered a multi-year deal worth about 7-8mil per year (which is what he's getting as a franchised player this year). He turned that down, he really wanted to get the max dollar possible, well him and Drew Rosenhaus that is. I wish he would have taken that deal, but since he didn't, bears have to go in another direction.

[dionysusolympus]

:noudidnt:

[jazz]

if urlacher went to the dolphins by any miracle, NO ONE would be able to run against us.

now, about our secondary... :ohnoes:

[Modus Ponens]

My point is that they knew they weren't going to be able to keep him. So deal him. Franchising a player is the kiss of death between the organization and a player. And it disrupts the chemistry of the team. Prior to the start of FA teams were drooling over the prospect of getting him. But by pushing it this far they are reduced his value. Teams know they won't have to give up as much as they would have before because they know the Bears are up against the wall now. The best thing they can do now is a sign and trade. Probably with someone like Jacksonville or the Niners who who both have a very big interest in him.

[dionysusolympus]

or the Gayders.


lol.







:sarcasm:

[jazz]

or the gaydars

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e106/junglegill/gaydar.jpg

[Modus Ponens]

or the Gayders.


lol.







:sarcasm:

The Raiders don't have much room under the cap and will be at the limit if they move Moss.

I would have loved to see Briggs in a Skins uniform playing MLB for us but Fletcher will do for a year or two.

[DJSteel]

Moss is being heavily looked at by GB

[Modus Ponens]

Moss is being heavily looked at by GB

And they would take a pretty big cap hit in moving him.

[jazz]

anybody but the dolphins, please. :pray:

[DJSteel]

The Faders already said he is not coming back..

[jazz]

if they did bring him back next year, everyone on the raiders should be given a lobotomy.

[paniro777]

Moss for Briggs, do it!!!!!!!!

I don't see why briggs is so upset. I understand why he is, but then again, it doesn't seem relevant. He wants a long term deal, ok, i understand that. But long term doesn't mean much because contracts are not guaranteed. So then it really comes down to "guaranteed money" aka signing bonus. And he was looking to get like a 15mil signing bonus. Now the bears franchise him and he gets 7.5. Now if we franchise him next year he'll get slightly more. That would equate to the 15mil signing bonus he was looking for. So he'd basically see the same amount of money over the next few years either way. And if he doesn't get franchised next year, he would be free to seek a new long term deal elsewhere. He's young, he's not gonna lose value over the course of another season, if anything only grow in value.

I think the real problem began when he saw what free agents were getting, specifically the 8yr 80mil deal that clements got.

[Modus Ponens]

anybody but the dolphins, please. :pray:

Seeing a lot of talk about the Fins moving up to the #5/6 spots the last few days if Calvin Johnson is still available. Much of that is predicated on what the Raiders do. If they keep Moss, then they probably draft Russell. If they move Moss then they probably take CJ though I have no idea who is going to get him the ball. Maybe Aaron Rodgers? The #5 and 6 spots are a hot commodity right now. You can thank the Browns and Brady Quinn for that. Everyone was under the assumption that the Browns would take Peterson. But will they still take him after signing Jamal Lewis? Quinn was lights out in his pro-day workout. The Bills and Texans both have the ammunition to move up should Peterson, Jackson, or Quinn fall that far. NE was another potential trade partner till they signed Washington and Stallworth. It should turn out to be a pretty entertaining draft this year.

[Keith Moon]

- Moss is lame and was beaten as a child. Burn him at the steak.

[MAGO]

saw an interview with Briggs and Clayton(ESPN NFL Analyst) on ESPN, Briggs is in a pretty F'd up spot, he said he's ready to sit out the season, Clayton said that if Briggs were to sit out, he would still be property of the Bears next season, where as if he plays this season under the franchise tag, it would be harder for the Bears to tag him again, or some shit like that :what: ...

[dionysusolympus]

saw an interview with Briggs and Clayton(ESPN NFL Analyst) on ESPN, Briggs is in a pretty F'd up spot, he said he's ready to sit out the season, Clayton said that if Briggs were to sit out, he would still be property of the Bears next season, where as if he plays this season under the franchise tag, it would be harder for the Bears to tag him again, or some shit like that :what: ...

i know you'd like to tag him, Fluffy.

[MAGO]

:imgay:

[DJSteel]

Briggs is like Edgerrin James.. except he is already fed up...not like Edge.. who was like "Whatever" until last year

[MAGO]

well he should just play and move on after this season, he's only hurting his career by sitting out for a year....

[paniro777]

well he should just play and move on after this season, he's only hurting his career by sitting out for a year....

yep, sittin out for a year puts him in the same predicament for next year. He wants security and all that, can't imagine anyone would pass up the chance to earn 7.2 mil.

[DJSteel]

what if he gets hurt?

[paniro777]

what if he gets hurt?

hmm, not really sure how that works. I know you cant' let go/cut/release a player that is officially injured. I don't know how that works if you're in the last year of your contract. If you get hurt in the middle of the season and its the last year of your contract, i guess you still just become a free agent. Now i don't know if that applies to a franchised player.

The short answer, he gets screwed, lol.

[DJSteel]

exactly..at least with a long term contract..he still gets paid somewhat and can't be cut without some sort of compensation and bonus..

[MAGO]

i blame his agent :what:

[DJSteel]

nah he was in his rookie contract.. he decline a 7 yr 33 mil contract.. which pans out to less than 5 a yr...he deserves more...

[paniro777]

O well, its a tough situation, i have always seen both the players and owners sides of it. It sucks, i wish he would just play it out. But he's right, he'll never get the deal he deserves in chicago. I think there are a lot of teams that would make briggs their highest paid LB. But in chicago, he's playing next to Urlacher. The bears cannot commit 15-20mil on 2 players at the same position, LB.

Its the same situation Thomas Jones was in. He was worth a hell of a lot more than what he was getting paid. But with 16-18mil committed to benson, theres no way they could commit anymore money to the RB positions.

Trade Briggs for moss.

Trade Briggs for at least a mid first round pick so we can get that safety from Florida.

[Modus Ponens]

O well, its a tough situation, i have always seen both the players and owners sides of it. It sucks, i wish he would just play it out. But he's right, he'll never get the deal he deserves in chicago. I think there are a lot of teams that would make briggs their highest paid LB. But in chicago, he's playing next to Urlacher. The bears cannot commit 15-20mil on 2 players at the same position, LB.

Its the same situation Thomas Jones was in. He was worth a hell of a lot more than what he was getting paid. But with 16-18mil committed to benson, theres no way they could commit anymore money to the RB positions.

Trade Briggs for moss.

Trade Briggs for at least a mid first round pick so we can get that safety from Florida.

More likely scenario is a 2nd or 3rd this year and a 1st next year.

[dionysusolympus]

More likely scenario is a 2nd or 3rd this year and a 1st next year.

no.

[MAGO]

More likely scenario is a 2nd or 3rd this year and a 1st next year.

that's too much to give up imo... :shrug:

[DJSteel]

nah.. Briggs will get a 2nd and/or 3rd this year.. and possibly a 3rd or a 4th next year..

[MAGO]

that's more reasonable :eek2:

[DJSteel]

they'll get 3-4 picks for him

[MAGO]

that's a lot, he better be worth it

[DJSteel]

that's a lot, he better be worth it

hell if Eli got three picks and Briggs is better than Eli.. Briggs will get either the same amount or more picks..

[MAGO]

the qb position is more important to a team than the lb position, so i could see a team giving up a lot for a high profiled qb which will also be in the league a lot longer than a lb(unless injuries cut the qb's career short)

[DJSteel]

the qb position is more important to a team than the lb position, so i could see a team giving up a lot for a high profiled qb which will also be in the league a lot longer than a lb(unless injuries cut the qb's career short)

Briggs could get some teams into the playoffs...and even to the super bowl... Eli can't even win a playoff game...

[Modus Ponens]

the qb position is more important to a team than the lb position, so i could see a team giving up a lot for a high profiled qb which will also be in the league a lot longer than a lb(unless injuries cut the qb's career short)


Tell that to the 2000 Baltimore Ravens. And it was defense that finally won the Colts a Super Bowl.

[MojoFearsSatan]

Trent Dilfer > Eli Manning...

hell, in terms of superbowl rings, Trent Dilfer > Dan freaking Marino...

[jazz]

genious
lol

[dionysusolympus]

Tell that to the 2000 Baltimore Ravens. And it was defense that finally won the Colts a Super Bowl.

True, but you've got to have an offense to match. That's the reason the Bearz gayed up the Super Bowl, and that's the reason the Gaiders can't score worth shit.

[Modus Ponens]

True, but you've got to have an offense to match. That's the reason the Bearz gayed up the Super Bowl, and that's the reason the Gaiders can't score worth shit.

When you have a defense that good all you need is a QB that will manage the game and not lose it for you. Trust your ground game and make intelligent reads. Grossman does neither.

[DJSteel]

Grossman is a gunslinger...much like Farve.. He just needs to play more to get better.. before this season..he only played 6 games...so he finally got a full season in..

[dionysusolympus]

When you have a defense that good all you need is a QB that will manage the game and not lose it for you. Trust your ground game and make intelligent reads. Grossman does neither.

em. that's what i just said. you need an good offense and a good defense. :jazzrage:

[MAGO]

so what are you saying? :dopey:

[Bruce]

You guys are confusing.

[Da Rafsta]

I think the best foundation for a team is both the O-line and D-Line. When those do a hell of a job....it makes it easier on the other guys. Your chances of getting a decent to good QB increase that much and it trickles on from there. On the opposite side of the ball, the D-Lineman make the LBs better and they allow the DBs to cover more effectively.

[DJSteel]

you win games in the trenches like Raf said...

[MAGO]

I think the best foundation for a team is both the O-line and D-Line. When those do a hell of a job....it makes it easier on the other guys. Your chances of getting a decent to good QB increase that much and it trickles on from there. On the opposite side of the ball, the D-Lineman make the LBs better and they allow the DBs to cover more effectively.

:agree: ...the Jets OL will be a lot better this season, so expect big offensive numbers from them, especially now that they have a rb :nanner24: !!

[paniro777]

:agree: ...the Jets OL will be a lot better this season, so expect big offensive numbers from them, especially now that they have a rb :nanner24: !!

:sad:

[Da Rafsta]

:sad:
That's tough man....real tough!

[MAGO]

:sad:

:console: ..... ( :evil: ) .... :whistle:

[DJSteel]

i particularly think Benson has tiki hands add that with the fact he gets injured a lot..not nearly as consistent as Thomas Jones...

[Da Rafsta]

In hindsight...that Cedric Benson pick wasn't the most prudent one. It's costed them in the shorter run and hopefully, for their sake...it doesn't cost them further. I'd take T.J. over C.B. any day, currently.

[paniro777]

i particularly think Benson has tiki hands add that with the fact he gets injured a lot..not nearly as consistent as Thomas Jones...

Tiki hands? The guy fumbled two times so far since he's been in the nfl. I wouldn't say he has tiki hands at all, lol. And he's gotten injured a couple times, I think its more unfortunate than he's injury prone. He was never hurt during his 4 years at texas where he carried the ball a hell of a lot.

The Benson and the real Adrian Peterson will get the job done.

[MAGO]

i'm sure CB has the talent, i just don't think he has the leadership skills Jones had and that can be bad, rumors were that he didn't get along with some of the players or something like that, so it will be interested to see how his season goes down...

[DJSteel]

Benson has a major knee injury while at Texas... look say what you will the Super Bowl and playoff run showed what he can do...

[paniro777]

Benson has a major knee injury while at Texas... look say what you will the Super Bowl and playoff run showed what he can do...

well if you say grossman didn't have a full year under his belt to show what he could do until this year, why don't you lend that same leniancy to CB? He hasn't been a starter, he started like 1 game. He hasn't been able to get the majority of carries and really get into the flow of the game, and really gel with that OL.

And i don't think he wasn't injured at texas.

Freshman year - played in 12 games, started 7, had 240 touches, missed holiday bowl due to pinched nerve.

Soph - started all 13 games, 326 touches

Jr. - played in 12 games, 11 starts, 267 touches

Sr. - started all 12 games, over 1800yds.

Benson should get 1500 yds this year.

Mago - you're right he's not a leader. But we have enough leaders on the team. Also, he gets along fine with the team though, don't believe that hype too much.

[Keith Moon]

- We all know that punters wins Superbowls.

[Da Rafsta]

No doubt...we can't really say much about C.B. since he hasn't been the starter until now. I'll be holding complete judgement on him until after this season and next.

[dionysusolympus]

No doubt...we can't really say much about C.B. since he hasn't been the starter until now. I'll be holding complete judgement on him until after this season and next.

it won't be long before Pennington gays up Jones and become like the rest of the Jetsths team.

[MAGO]

dio needs time to asssesssess his contribution to this forum...











































:diowned:

[Modus Ponens]

Benson is the kind of runner that needs 25 touches a game. Those 3-4 yard gains at the start of the game will start to turn into big gains in the 4th quarter.

[dionysusolympus]

:MAGO4: wants to touch Benson inappropriately.























no, the other Benson.

[MAGO]

if he makes it to the 4th quarter :what:

[DJSteel]

http://valdefierro.com/benson01.jpg

[dionysusolympus]

this one --

http://tv.wikia.com/images/thumb/6/6b/Bensonscreenshot.jpg/275px-Bensonscreenshot.jpg

:what:

[DJSteel]

beat you!

[MAGO]

:ha:

[MAGO]

Bears’ Johnson sentenced to 4 months in jail (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17634086/)

[dionysusolympus]

i think he's gonna get raped.

[MAGO]

:orly:

[DJSteel]

is he going to the Bengals??

[Da Rafsta]

pay $2500....lol, that's like us dishing out a quarter ($0.25).

[MAGO]

went in a DT, came out a WR


































:what:

[Da Rafsta]

He can keep the weight by lifting. Lots of times, dudes go in featherweights, come out heavyweight.

[paniro777]

just what we friggin needed.

Well at least we have a young guy who should be able to step up at that DT spot if Tank falls off.

[dionysusolympus]

CB, special teams standout Iwuoma signs with Steelers (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10063993)

good move, :dgay:.

and the Iggles have K. Curtis. we'll see how he does.

[Da Rafsta]

just what we friggin needed.

Well at least we have a young guy who should be able to step up at that DT spot if Tank falls off.
I woudln't worry about Tank. He's got enough dough to get all the commissary needed to keep the weight up on top of being able to work out. He's got nothing else to do in there. I say he's out in much less than four months. At most, he'll do three.

[dionysusolympus]

i think tank is going to play shiv football in prison.

[MAGO]

and the Iggles have K. Curtis. we'll see how he does.



:diowned:

[paniro777]

I woudln't worry about Tank. He's got enough dough to get all the commissary needed to keep the weight up on top of being able to work out. He's got nothing else to do in there. I say he's out in much less than four months. At most, he'll do three.

i think he has to do the 4 months in full. I could be mistaken, but I thought that if you receive jail time of less than 1 year, you must do the full time. Thats why you see celebrities get 1yr and 1day sentences, so then they're eligible to get out early.

[dionysusolympus]

:diowned:

yo mama is such a ho that Paris Hilton became her Apprentice.

[MAGO]

yo momma is so cross-eyed that yo pops left her for seeing someone on the side :what:

[dionysusolympus]

yo mama is so fat that she has her own building zone code.

[MAGO]

yo mama is so fat, yo pops has to fuck her in intervals :eek2:

[dionysusolympus]

yo mama is so stoopid that she colored in her IQ test.

[MAGO]

Yo mama so fat when she wears a yellow raincoat, people yell, Taxi!!!

[Da Rafsta]

Yo mamma so stupid yo, she tripped over a cordless phone!

[dionysusolympus]

yo mama is so fat that when she wears my mama's yellow raincoat, the planets revolve around her.

[MAGO]

Yo mama so fat when she steps on a scale, it reads, one at a time please...

[Keith Moon]

CB, special teams standout Iwuoma signs with Steelers (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10063993)

good move, :dgay:.

and the Iggles have K. Curtis. we'll see how he does.



- As in Kevin Curtis, the WR?

[Da Rafsta]

Yo mamma so stupid she thought a quarterback was a refund

[dionysusolympus]

- As in Kevin Curtis, the WR?

yep, from teh Ramz.

[MAGO]

Yo mama so fat when she plays hopscotch, she goes New York, L.A., Chicago...