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greg
July 21st, 2005, 10:07 PM
link (http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/21/congress.patriotact.ap/index.html)

House votes to extend Patriot Act
Democrats voice civil liberties concerns

Thursday, July 21, 2005; Posted: 9:59 p.m. EDT (01:59 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The House voted overwhelmingly Thursday to extend the USA Patriot Act, the nation's main anti-terrorism tool, just hours after televisions in the Capitol beamed images of a new attack in London.

As similar legislation worked its way through the Senate, House Republicans generally cast the law as a valuable asset in the war on terror. Most Democrats echoed that support but said they were concerned the law could allow citizens' civil liberties to be infringed.

Following more than hours of debate, the House approved the measure 257-171.

The bulk of the back-and-forth centered on language making permanent 14 of 16 provisions that had four-year sunset, or expiration, provisions under the original law, which Congress passed overwhelmingly after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

The bill also proposed 10-year extensions to the two other provisions set to expire on December 31, one allowing roving wiretaps and another allowing searches of library and medical records. They were the focus of most of the controversy as members plowed through the main legislation and 18 amendments.

"While the Patriot Act and other anti-terrorism initiatives have helped avert additional attacks on our soil, the threat has not receded," said Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wisconsin, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.

Rep. John Conyers of Michigan, the top Democrat on the committee, said that while "I support the majority of the 166 provisions of the Patriot Act," the extensions could lessen accountability. "Ten years is not a sunset; 10 years is semi-permanent," he said.

As the House debated the legislation, the Senate Judiciary Committee approved its own extension of the bill, though it included only four-year extensions for the roving wiretap and records search provisions.

A competing bill also has been approved by the Senate Intelligence Committee, which would give the FBI expanded powers to subpoena records without the approval of a judge or grand jury. That ensured further Senate talks on the terrorism-fighting measure. The House legislation will also have to be reconciled with whatever emerges from the Senate.

The House debate included frequent references to the attacks earlier in the day, two weeks after larger London blasts that killed 56, including four suicide bombers.

:sarcasm:

Heath
July 21st, 2005, 10:09 PM
BOO :down:

Joga
July 21st, 2005, 10:16 PM
The bill also proposed 10-year extensions to the two other provisions set to expire on December 31, one allowing roving wiretaps and another allowing searches of library and medical records. They were the focus of most of the controversy as members plowed through the main legislation and 18 amendments.

What could that possibly have to do with anything?

"well, we've seen a trend...where eight out of the ten suicide bombers in the last year have had high cholesterol and back pain..."

:rolleyes:

Bruce
July 21st, 2005, 10:34 PM
If you're not doing anything wrong, what has anyone to worry about. I'd rather see a few citizen's feathers get ruffled as opposed to thousands dying again.

Joga
July 21st, 2005, 11:07 PM
The rest of the stuff I'm okay with. But medical records? No. If I can't even easily have access to those puppies, the government shouldn't either.

jazz
July 21st, 2005, 11:25 PM
If you're not doing anything wrong, what has anyone to worry about. I'd rather see a few citizen's feathers get ruffled as opposed to thousands dying again.
unless they shop at walmart.

magic marker
July 22nd, 2005, 01:55 AM
I don't like the goverment poking around in my business. I don't like the patriot act, at all, and I don't see how it helps this "fight on terrorism". It's stripping rights that we were promised since birth in this country. We have never sacraficed our freedoms before, not even when we had Russian spies here.

Capt
July 24th, 2005, 10:02 PM
If you're not doing anything wrong, what has anyone to worry about. I'd rather see a few citizen's feathers get ruffled as opposed to thousands dying again.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

Hailo
July 25th, 2005, 05:27 PM
If you're not doing anything wrong, what has anyone to worry about. I'd rather see a few citizen's feathers get ruffled as opposed to thousands dying again.

I hate this statement.

EtchedInCold
July 31st, 2005, 09:51 AM
I hate this statement.
i hate people who hate this statement.
it's goddamn true.

PaperStreet
July 31st, 2005, 05:43 PM
Vin Diesel puts the lime in the coconut.