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Tzarina
May 6th, 2005, 12:40 AM
Link (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-05-05-bush-forests_x.htm?csp=24&RM_Exclude=Juno)

Bush removes logging barrier
By Tom Kenworthy, USA TODAY
The Bush administration on Thursday overturned one of the most significant land conservation measures of the Clinton presidency: a ban on roads, logging and development on 58.5 million acres of national forests. The move could open large pristine areas to industry.
The so-called roadless rule had affected 31% of all national forest land, mostly in Alaska and the West — an area about one-third the size of Texas.

President Clinton had put the far-reaching initiative in place in the final days of his administration. The Bush administration suspended it soon after taking office. Thursday's action was the final step in abandoning it.

A new rule gives governors 18 months to propose to the Agriculture Department which national forest land should be left untouched and which should be opened for other uses.

Though 38 states have some areas of national forests without roads, 97% of the land at issue is located in 12 Western states.

If a governor proposes no changes, the land would be managed according to 10-year guidelines set by each national forest. Under those existing guidelines, nearly 60% of the 58.5 million acres of roadless forest could be immediately opened for development. The remainder is guaranteed protection until a forest's guidelines are revised.

Giving states more control over how federal lands are managed represents a significant departure from decades of practice and could result in wide variations.

"To me, it ends up with a fragmented policy," said John Freemuth, a Boise State University professor.

But Undersecretary of Agriculture Mark Rey said efforts dating back 40 years have failed. He said the views of state officials and local residents on how national forest land should be used have been ignored, inviting lawsuits.

Since the Bush administration first outlined its proposal last year, all six Democratic governors in the West — representing Arizona, Montana, New Mexico, Oregon, Washington and Wyoming — have criticized it to varying degrees. Wyoming Gov. Dave Freudenthal called the new rule "a costly exercise in futility."

Western Republicans have been far more receptive. Idaho Gov. Dirk Kempthorne called it a "much better process for managing" forests.

But Niel Lawrence of the Natural Resources Defense Council said the Clinton rule "protected many of the last, best wild lands the American public owns."


I live in the forest... :knight:

ByrcheWroot
May 6th, 2005, 12:08 PM
"much better process for managing"

What's the best way for humans to manage a forest? Leave them the fuck alone. Just look at my av. Ash certainly is enjoying his time there.

Tzarina
May 6th, 2005, 12:59 PM
Unfortunatly, we can no longer leave them alone. Around here the forests were logged beyond repair... the entire physical makeup of the forest has changed, so they now have to be managed in some ways, especially clearing and presribed burns...
We lost a half a million acres of white ponderosa pines here, a tree that occurs no where else on earth, due to overlogging and misguided management...

But what Bush wants to do, and it affects the Kaibab National Forest, which I live INSIDE of... is unacceptable for anything but big logging interests :shame:

And when you live here you notice quickly, there are enough forest service roads... I take pics of the damage I personally find, I'll get one and post it, another beautiful tree covered mini mountain ruined by clearcutting :cry:

Heath
May 6th, 2005, 01:32 PM
Damn Bush to hell. Crazy fucking Texan.

Tzarina
May 6th, 2005, 02:10 PM
Damn Bush to hell. Crazy fucking Texan.
Yeah, you Texans don't know about FORESTS... :hmmm:

Heath
May 6th, 2005, 02:11 PM
You Texans? Don't ever insult me like that again. I'm from Tennessee, and the Cherokee National Forrest is about 15 minutes up the road. :tongue2:

Tzarina
May 6th, 2005, 02:18 PM
You Texans? Don't ever insult me like that again. I'm from Tennessee, and the Cherokee National Forrest is about 15 minutes up the road. :tongue2:
:jk:

I know all about the beautiful forests of Tenessee... :nod:

Heath
May 6th, 2005, 02:20 PM
I wish we just would've let Texas become it's own country. Then that crazy bastard wouldn't be in office.

Our trees are already being eaten anyway. If some bastard comes and cuts them down, I'll be pissed beyond belief.

Euphonae
May 6th, 2005, 02:32 PM
tree hugging hippie bastards. :nod:

Heath
May 6th, 2005, 02:36 PM
Oxygen hating nut job. :uhhh:

bdf
May 6th, 2005, 02:51 PM
I wish we just would've let Texas become it's own country. Then that crazy bastard wouldn't be in office.

Don't you DARE blame my fine state for that assclown. He's not originally from Texas anyway.

Pudie
May 6th, 2005, 03:39 PM
TMV is from Texas.

bdf
May 6th, 2005, 03:44 PM
TMV is from Texas.

See, but that's different. :biggrin:

dirty clown
May 6th, 2005, 06:49 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

There's enough fucking people around already. They don't need to keep building new houses! USE THE ONES THAT'RE ALREADY HERE! We don't need anymore industry! There's enough!

that man...he just doesn't care. It's so that timber company he "doesn't own" can be more profitable. How much money does a person need? Don't you need just a certain amount and then can't you just stop and be happy?

MONEY, MONEY, MONEY.

I HOPE THAT EVERY MONEY-GRUBBING FATCAT DIES A HORRIBLE, CANCEROUS DEATH. And I hope they spend all their money trying to cure it only to have the pain overtake them. I hate them all. Thanks for making the world hate us with all your heartless, foul plans to get paid more, you fucking dickheads. Burn in hell.

SNARL.

dirty clown
May 6th, 2005, 06:50 PM
Woo. That felt good.

Now I'm going to sit on my ass and not do anything to stop it. Not that there's anything I could do. :pissed:

bdf
May 6th, 2005, 06:52 PM
Hehe......feeling better?

dirty clown
May 6th, 2005, 06:54 PM
Not really. Just frustrated like before.
If I could I'd run for office and put a stop to all this bullshit.

bdf
May 6th, 2005, 06:56 PM
You sure about that?

dirty clown
May 6th, 2005, 07:04 PM
Yeah, I am. Why?

bdf
May 6th, 2005, 07:08 PM
Oh nothing, just asking. :smoke:

Heath
May 6th, 2005, 09:56 PM
*Blames Texas for everything*

I mess with Texas.

bdf
May 7th, 2005, 02:09 AM
*Blames Texas for everything*

I mess with Texas.

:think:

Tzarina
May 7th, 2005, 12:00 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

There's enough fucking people around already. They don't need to keep building new houses! USE THE ONES THAT'RE ALREADY HERE! We don't need anymore industry! There's enough!

that man...he just doesn't care. It's so that timber company he "doesn't own" can be more profitable. How much money does a person need? Don't you need just a certain amount and then can't you just stop and be happy?

MONEY, MONEY, MONEY.

I HOPE THAT EVERY MONEY-GRUBBING FATCAT DIES A HORRIBLE, CANCEROUS DEATH. And I hope they spend all their money trying to cure it only to have the pain overtake them. I hate them all. Thanks for making the world hate us with all your heartless, foul plans to get paid more, you fucking dickheads. Burn in hell.

SNARL.
god, I love that sig...:haha:

Anyway, I can't find my pics, so I have to go take new ones...

And do you all have a bark beetle problem there in Tenn as well? Cause I saw you mentioned the tress being eaten and we have the same problem here...

dionysusolympus
January 11th, 2010, 02:12 PM
:gaynoes:

Ryan
January 23rd, 2010, 10:08 PM
I live in the forest... :knight:
I challenge ye to a duel.