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KenKill75
May 2nd, 2005, 03:50 PM
England Pleads Guilty to Prisoner Abuse By T.A. BADGER, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 11 minutes ago



FORT HOOD, Texas - Pfc. Lynndie England, who appeared in some of the most graphic photographs depicting physical mistreatment and sexual humiliation of Iraqi detainees at Abu Ghraib prison, pleaded guilty Monday to charges arising from her role in the abuse scandal.

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The 22-year-old Army reservist entered her pleas to two counts of conspiracy to maltreat prisoners, four counts of maltreating prisoners and one count of committing an indecent act.

In exchange, prosecutors agreed to drop another count of committing an indecent act and one count of dereliction of duty.

If the plea agreement is accepted by the judge, Col. James Pohl, a jury of officers and enlisted soldiers will decide her punishment following a sentencing hearing expected to last several days.

England repeatedly answered "Yes, sir" as Pohl questioned her to make sure she understood her legal rights and the consequences of her pleas.

Defense lawyer Rick Hernandez said last week that the defense will present evidence during sentencing that England has severe learning disabilities and mental health problems.

Questioned about one of the photos, which showed her holding a hooded, naked Iraqi prisoner on a leash, England told the judge that Pvt. Charles Graner Jr., the reputed ringleader of the Abu Ghraib abuses, put the strap around the prisoner's neck as part of the process of taking him from one cell to another. When the prisoner resisted, she told the judge, Graner said to her: "Hold this, I'm going to take a picture."

Pohl asked if she thought the leash was a legitimate way to control the detainee.

"I assumed it was OK because he was (a military policeman)," England said of Graner. "He had a background as a corrections officer."

Graner, said to be the father of England's infant son, was convicted in January on a range of abuse charges and sentenced to 10 years in prison. Last month, he married former Spc. Megan Ambuhl, another Abu Ghraib defendant.

The plea agreement, which came the day before England was scheduled to go to trial, lowers her maximum possible sentence from 16 1/2 years in prison to 11 years.

England, from Fort Ashby, W.Va., is one of seven members of the Maryland-based 372nd Military Police Company charged with humiliating and assaulting prisoners at Abu Ghraib. She became a central figure in the scandal after the photos surfaced.

One image showed her smiling and posing with nude prisoners stacked in a pyramid while giving a thumbs-up. Another showed her smiling and pointing at a naked detainee's genitals while smoking a cigarette.

Hernandez said there had been no decision on whether England will testify.

England's lawyers have argued that she and others in her unit were acting on orders from military intelligence to "soften up" prisoners for interrogations. But Army investigators testified during hearings last summer that England said the reservists took the photos while "they were joking around, having some fun."

The Abu Ghraib scandal, which went public in April 2004, damaged the image of America's military leadership at home and sparked outrage around the world. Several government investigations have been conducted, but so far only low-level soldiers have been charged, although the defendants have alleged that high-level officials condoned the abuse.

Four other members of the 372nd and two low-level military intelligence officers have entered guilty pleas, with sentences ranging from no time to 8 1/2 years. The only soldier to stand trial so far is Graner. Spc. Sabrina Harman, a former Abu Ghraib guard, is scheduled to go to trial at Fort Hood next week.





BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! :down:

Joga
May 2nd, 2005, 07:24 PM
Boo what?

jaketucker
May 2nd, 2005, 08:31 PM
[QUOTE=KenKill75]England Pleads Guilty to Prisoner Abuse
Questioned about one of the photos, which showed her holding a hooded, naked Iraqi prisoner on a leash, England told the judge that Pvt. Charles Graner Jr., the reputed ringleader of the Abu Ghraib abuses, put the strap around the prisoner's neck as part of the process of taking him from one cell to another.

The dumb bitch took a photo of it....
Look, I spent 5 damn years as an MP and you know what I didn't ever do.....
TAKE ANY FUCKING PHOTOS
fuck this MP company....
they all deserve to go to a federal pound you in the ass prison just for being so terribly stupid

:hump2:

iha
May 2nd, 2005, 08:50 PM
hasn't her lawyer been saying for a while now that she was going to plead guilty?

KenKill75
May 2nd, 2005, 08:57 PM
Boo what?


Boo that she's going to jail. I say the whole country should take turns torturing fucking scumbag terrorists. :eric2:

Tzarina
May 2nd, 2005, 09:04 PM
:shame: starting trouble again... :uhuh:

:biggrin:

Were these men that were 'tortured' convicted terrorists, or just being held with pending charges?

jaketucker
May 2nd, 2005, 09:05 PM
Boo that she's going to jail. I say the whole country should take turns torturing fucking scumbag terrorists. :eric2:

:agree:

Joga
May 2nd, 2005, 09:05 PM
Boo that she's going to jail. I say the whole country should take turns torturing fucking scumbag terrorists. :eric2:

Hmmmm...I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one, Ken. Not everyone in that prison was a terrorist, many were just Iraqi citizens who fought against us simply because they were forced to. A statement like that seems to me to be a "do as we say, not as we do" type of approach. By not putting her in jail, we would be saying that it's wrong for people to bully us, but it's okay for us to bully them. It also serves to tell the Iraqi people that we are freeing them from a lifetime of torture and terror and promoting the ideals of the United States government, which is...torture and terror, if we let these soldiers get away with this.

Besides, last time I looked, we supported to the Geneva Convention...

KenKill75
May 2nd, 2005, 09:06 PM
:shame: starting trouble again... :uhuh:

:biggrin:

Were these men that were 'tortured' convicted terrorists, or just being held with pending charges?



I dont know and I dont care. When the charge is terrorism, pending is good enough for me. They should all get raped in the ass with 2 x 4's.

KenKill75
May 2nd, 2005, 09:09 PM
Hmmmm...I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one, Ken. Not everyone in that prison was a terrorist, many were just Iraqi citizens who fought against us simply because they were forced to. A statement like that seems to me to be a "do as we say, not as we do" type of approach. By not putting her in jail, we would be saying that it's wrong for people to bully us, but it's okay for us to bully them. It also serves to tell the Iraqi people that we are freeing them from a lifetime of torture and terror and promoting the ideals of the United States government, which is...torture and terror, if we let these soldiers get away with this.

Besides, last time I looked, we supported to the Geneva Convention...


:sleep:

jaketucker
May 2nd, 2005, 09:11 PM
Besides, last time I looked, we supported to the Geneva Convention...

fuck the geneva convention, if the damn terrorist arent playing by the rules we will prevail as americans and cheat our asses off.

Joga
May 2nd, 2005, 09:12 PM
:sleep:

Okay... I'll keep in mind that all opinions are wrong unless they support humiliation of Iraqi POWs that aren't terrorists.

Joga
May 2nd, 2005, 09:12 PM
fuck the geneva convention, if the damn terrorist arent playing by the rules we will prevail as americans and cheat our asses off.

THE IRAQI POWs WERE NOT TERRORISTS!!!!! They were POWs...just like POWs in any other war...

KenKill75
May 2nd, 2005, 09:13 PM
Okay... I'll keep in mind that all opinions are wrong unless they support humiliation of Iraqi POWs that aren't terrorists.


There's no such thing as a wrong opinion. Its just that yours bored me to sleep. :wink:

Joga
May 2nd, 2005, 09:16 PM
There's no such thing as a wrong opinion. Its just that yours bored me to sleep. :wink:

And yours is what is costing our country billions of dollars of taxpayer money needlessly, and progressing the "Terror" that our country so "dearly" wants banished. :wink:

KenKill75
May 2nd, 2005, 09:18 PM
whatever you say cutie pie :muah:

jaketucker
May 2nd, 2005, 09:18 PM
you dont consider people who suicide bomb our troops to be terrorists... these POW's are just the people that where caught before they could blow half of ours troops up...

Now, the iraqi civiltions in the prison i will agree with, but we should have taken care of that issue 2 years ago

Joga
May 2nd, 2005, 09:21 PM
you dont consider people who suicide bomb our troops to be terrorists... these POW's are just the people that where caught before they could blow half of ours troops up...

People who suicide bomb our troops aren't in prison... they're dead...

If we bomb Iraqi troops, are we terrorists, or are we fighting a war? If we're going to look at it that way, then we can't have a double standard.

Joga
May 2nd, 2005, 09:23 PM
whatever you say cutie pie :muah:

Good job at trying to be condescending. I think my self confidence and education makes me a little too strong for your little wink, though, so thanks for playing.

jaketucker
May 2nd, 2005, 09:24 PM
To quote myself....these POW's are just the people that where caught before they could blow half of ours troops up...

Joga
May 2nd, 2005, 09:27 PM
To quote myself....these POW's are just the people that where caught before they could blow half of ours troops up...

Yes, and these American troops that did this were caught before they could start to do a lot of physical harm and torture.

Not every Iraqi troop is evil, or a terrorist. That's a blanket stereotype and generalization that needs to stop. Many of the Iraqis in prison as POWs were there because they surrendered...because they knew that we would treat them better than their own country. Many of them fought for their country simply because they were so afraid of Saddam and his government that they did it to save their families from abuse and torture. To subject them to the very thing that we're fighting against is the epitome of hypocrisy.

greg
May 2nd, 2005, 09:37 PM
what i would like to know is what would americans do if some country came over here, started bombing "military" (random buildings) targets, marched into washington, started taking people prisoner, hunted down and captured our "president" (i use that term very loosely), and left our country in ruin? would everyone stay inside until it was over with, or would some of us become "terrorists"?

Joga
May 2nd, 2005, 09:47 PM
:nod:

jaketucker
May 2nd, 2005, 09:57 PM
dont get me wrong, i think this is another vietnam, we shouldnt have gone into iraq in the first place, but now that they are bombing our damn troops and the damn iraqi citizens alike...i say fuck em

greg
May 2nd, 2005, 10:01 PM
that's the worst part about the whole thing. we really shouldn't have gone in there to begin with.

the whole n. korea situation scares the crap out of me. if shit goes down over there, its for real.

Joga
May 2nd, 2005, 10:02 PM
dont get me wrong, i think this is another vietnam, we shouldnt have gone into iraq in the first place, but now that they are bombing our damn troops and the damn iraqi citizens alike...i say fuck em

I agree with that... the hard part, though, is differentiating between who is harmful and who is innocent. Our tendency is going to be to be cautious, obviously, but we have to be careful not to pigeon-hole all Iraqis as terrorists.

It is hard, because there is a fine line between defending ourselves and stooping to their level... I think those troops were stooping to their level, and in my opinion, that makes the United States just like them. It does seem more personal when it's happening to our country, but we have to be careful, and handle this with integrity rather than playground finger-pointing.

Joga
May 2nd, 2005, 10:03 PM
that's the worst part about the whole thing. we really shouldn't have gone in there to begin with.

the whole n. korea situation scares the crap out of me. if shit goes down over there, its for real.

Exactly...GWB needs to focus on getting the troops rested and ready, because if they strike now, we're fucked.

greg
May 2nd, 2005, 10:08 PM
i don't know that troops would really be needed on either side. i think there would just be a lot of really, really, really, really big explosions in japan and korea.

jaketucker
May 2nd, 2005, 10:09 PM
I agree with that, but we have had troops in korea since the "conflict" ended. granted there life span is short if they attack s. korea. I was in korea for a year in the army.. your life span in a war is at most 4 hours in the southern most point......i was near the DMZ..mine was about 5 mins

KenKill75
May 2nd, 2005, 10:16 PM
Good job at trying to be condescending. I think my self confidence and education makes me a little too strong for your little wink, though, so thanks for playing.



Good job at not knowing how to take a compliment and getting bent out of shape for no reason.

Joga
May 2nd, 2005, 10:23 PM
Good job at not knowing how to take a compliment and getting bent out of shape for no reason.

:rolleyes: yes...I'm sure you meant that as a compliment...

Joga
May 2nd, 2005, 10:23 PM
I agree with that, but we have had troops in korea since the "conflict" ended. granted there life span is short if they attack s. korea. I was in korea for a year in the army.. your life span in a war is at most 4 hours in the southern most point......i was near the DMZ..mine was about 5 mins

Damn...that must have been absolutely terrifying.

KenKill75
May 2nd, 2005, 10:24 PM
Well, I dont know about your habits, but I dont typically call people cute without actually thinking that they are. But hey, if its gonna be an issue, then nevermind.

bdf
May 3rd, 2005, 03:29 AM
And yours is what is costing our country billions of dollars of taxpayer money needlessly, and progressing the "Terror" that our country so "dearly" wants banished. :wink:

:agree: